« Response on Health Care Reform-BECKER | Main | Google in China--Posner »

02/20/2006

TrackBack

TrackBack URL for this entry:
http://www.typepad.com/services/trackback/6a00d8341c031153ef013482fd4f96970c

Listed below are links to weblogs that reference Googling in China-BECKER:

» modulo from modulo
modulo [Read More]

» torture rape from torture rape
torture rape [Read More]

» rape comic from rape comic
rape comic [Read More]

» free kaza from free kaza
free kaza [Read More]

» Incest Sex from Incest Sex
Incest Sex [Read More]

» Incest from Incest
Incest [Read More]

» Teens Lesbian from Teens Lesbian
What we ve learned about Gay & Lesbian Teens Jennifer Connolly, [Read More]

» zack and from zack and miri
Great article! I think that your topic was interesting, and your views are genuine. I'm going to share your blog with my community. [Read More]

Comments

Feed You can follow this conversation by subscribing to the comment feed for this post.

Arun Khanna

As long as Google keeps control of the servers by keeping them physically out of China, the argument for limits on information in broader interest of relatively ëfreeí information makes sense. This way, in the future Google retains the option of (presumably) challenging any extra-ordinary demands by Chinese government.
The bottom line is China is too large a market to ignore for Google and similar firms.

logicnazi

So over on Posner's post I argued that not enough attention is being paid to the danger of foreign censorship friendly companies rising up if google, yahoo and the like have to give up the Chinese market. In particular I think the chinese would have far fewer freedoms if they end up being servered by a chinese search firm (wholly under china's control) than a US search firm.

Here though I would like to raise the issue that any choice by google, yahoo and etc.. to refuse to bend to local authority, at least a little, might perpetuate the sense that the internet is a US propaganda tool or otherwise suspect. I'm not sure how serious a risk this is but it does seem that this sort of perception might discourage governments from allowing their citizens internet access and ultimately thus restricting their rights.

As I said I'm not sure how compelling this argument is, my real arguments are over on Posner's comments, but it does seem like something to think about.

Thomas

Before in China, if I searched for the wrong subject, I would simply receive a timeout error, leaving me to wonder if Google was simply technically deficient, not realizing the deficiency originated with my own government. Now, Google is taking action which makes the Chinese government's paternalism more conspicuous to ordinary citizens.

Searches in China face restriction with or without Google's complicity.

The fact that Google uniquely fought for disclosure of government omissions is a positive.

I think Google has dredged a somewhat noble option out of a series of unpalatable alternatives.

yunglin

You, as google CEO, address a really strong argument - chinese people can still access informative about democratic institutions and processes, if and only if they can read english or other foreign languages.

I would like to know, how many chinese people can access internet, and among them how many of them can read and express them well in english?

Also, with the strong control over knowledge, how many chinese people can understand those terminologies we use when we discuss some hard questions?

yunglin

You, as google CEO, address a really strong argument - chinese people can still access informative about democratic institutions and processes, if and only if they can read english or other foreign languages.

I would like to know, how many chinese people can access internet, and among them how many of them can read and express them well in english?

Also, with the strong control over knowledge, how many chinese people can understand those terminologies we use when we discuss some hard questions?

Haris H.

Excellent discussion...but my question is, why are we singling out search engines? Sure, they deal in information and thus we feel they should be held to a higher standard. But the other industries that trade with China are just as complicit. Walmart allows unions in China but not in the US, and other firms doing business in China are certainly engaging in practices that would be deemed illegal in the US. I don't think the search engines should be held to a different standard. Also, I don't think the moral cost of providing Chinese police with user data is particularly high, since I don't think of China as having very high standards of due process or stringent rules of evidence anyway.

The current uproar shows that Google et al are not legitimizing the Chinese government. Instead, they are raising more questions while at the same time providing more information to the Chinese people. This new trickle of information just might be how major change begins.

Slav

I would like to know, how many chinese people can access internet, and among them how many of them can read and express them well in english?

Timba

Approximately 10% of the users of the Internet are using the Chinese language. That is about 55 million users. It is second only to English as the language of choice for content.

Source: http://www.glreach.com/globstats/

Katherine

Ahem, I know this is inappropriate, but:
I love you, Gary Becker.

Dan C

When you do business in another country, you agree to play by their rules. However companies can try to negotiate how they will conform to the rules.

This balance is difficult. The present American public would not tolerate a US company helping Nazi Germany locate Jews - regardless of the potential profit. So why should we help the Chinese government imprison dissidents?

On the other hand, we would not tolerate foreign companies shielding potential terrorists in the United States. But we do deal with a Russia that offers support to Iran.

If I were doing business in China I would do everything I could to avoid becoming an arm of the government. I would tolerate censorship - something almost impossible to do fully in any case.

Next, I would warn Chinese leaders that the abuse of information is a two way street. The government can use the information against dissidents, but your political opponents could gather information against you.

Regretfully, I don't think you could deter the Chinese government through negotiation.

So, if you think that China is headed for democracy, and the current limits placed on your company are minor speed bumps on that journey, do business in the country. If you think your company will be used to derail democracy and create a North Korean style government, stay out.

If your competitors take your place, try to attack them in the marketplace of world opinion. Inform the public of the choices your competitors made, their deal with the devil, and try to place public pressure on them in other markets. Make your competitors pay for taking the deal. Try to get world opinion on your side.

white

I am a chinese ,graduated from a good chinese university ten years ago. but till this year could I read your articles smooothly. In chinese,
the control of government never unwrap, from the kidgarten to the university, from the masses to the company. we chinese people are so hunger and expect the world righteous men and force can come to help and salve. when that day comes, we chinese people will cry with full tears.and sun-light emerges again.

Anonymous

مركز تحميل

Anonymous

بنت الزلفي

Anonymous

Thank you, you always get to all new and used it
شات صوتي

Anonymous

thanksss
ÿ¥ÿßÿ™ ŸÖÿµÿ±
--
دردشة مصرية

Anonymous

ÿØÿ±ÿØÿ¥ÿ©
___
صور

Anonymous

Thank you, you always get to all new and used it
ÿ¥ÿßÿ™

دردشه

Anonymous

Hi. The reward of a thing well done is to have done it.
I am from Dominican and too bad know English, give true I wrote the following sentence: "Find a great selection of musical instruments and sound gear."

Thank you very much 8). Spence.

Anonymous

Very interesting site. Hope it will always be alive!

Anonymous

I bookmarked this link. Thank you for good job!

Anonymous


thanks to tell me that,i think thats ao usefully----
tiffanys
links of london

Anonymous

دردشة برق


دردشة الخليج

Anonymous

Beautiful site!

Anonymous

Excellent site. It was pleasant to me.

Anonymous

Incredible site!

The comments to this entry are closed.

Become a Fan

May 2014

Sun Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat
        1 2 3
4 5 6 7 8 9 10
11 12 13 14 15 16 17
18 19 20 21 22 23 24
25 26 27 28 29 30 31