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11/20/2011

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Using free markets solutions to solve are problems rather than the Government goofy ideas.

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Ask the administrators at University of California - Berkley and the University of Wisconsin who took a "hands off". They paid for dearly. It took the California National Guard under Governor Reagan to restore order at Berkley. Wisconsin had buildings that were blown up because of the soft approach by the administration.

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One, you cannot take the college protest movement in the 1960's as it was handled at the University of Chicago and extrapolate from that one example on how protests should be handled. Ask the administrators at University of California - Berkley and the University of Wisconsin who took a "hands off". They paid for dearly. It took the California National Guard under Governor Reagan to restore order at Berkley. Wisconsin had buildings that were blown up because of the soft approach by the administration.

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Nice post and thanks for highlighting this important issue.

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I do npot know what will happen with "Occupy" movement, but I am happy that it was created, because there is a positive result because of it!

NEH

As for the "Hard" approach to dealing with Ad-Hoc demonstrations, just ask Governor Rhodes of Ohio and various former National Guardsman about Kent State. Anyone remember the four dead in Ohio? Better to use the soft touch and lose a few buildings to arson than killing innocent bystanders in order to prove one's authority, power and control. The British tried it at the "Boston Massacre" and look what it got them...

Jack

NEH..... yes, Kent State combined with Neil Young's year long hit, dirge about the affair perhaps accounted for a substantial fraction of defunding the fiasco that should have ended, at least, by 1968 when Nixon got in, partly, on an Ike-like "bring the boys home" campaign.

And Ha! Using force in THIS era to drive it "underground" when the "inmates" have "facebook" for creating flash mobs, and the internet for distributing truths --- that haha! was designed for the military to be destruction proof....... block a packet on 3rd Ave and it zips around the block to travel on 2nd Ave ------- and there is NO taking the whole thing down. The Occupiers have the same guarantee of communication as do the banksters whose fully corrupted, greed laden acts were largely the cause of the mess.

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They will all be gone soon.

Jack

Geez "Back Taxes" I accidentally clicked on your handle to find you're but another of our poor desperate spammers foolishly "feeling" that spamming this rarely visited site might draw that one saving consumer to your failing businesses. It's truly a sad picture when things get this bad.

NEH

Ahh... Yes. "Tin Soldiers and Nixon's coming! We're finally on our own"... And I was only in Highschool at the time. What a situation too find oneself in - graduate then either enlist and end up coming home in a bodybag from Indochina or go to College and get shot down while walking between clases. My the tough choices an 18 year old had to make back then... ;)

Thompson

I am a big fan of Becker's and Posner's writing here and elsewhere. However, I take issue with Posner's reference to the Washington Post article and Port Huron manifesto. The Port Huron deal is way too long. Few have time to read that long of a document--plus it is diffuse at best.

Ah! Perhaps that was Posner's idea: the Washington Post article is also diffuse. If that was his idea, then I support it.

Jack

NEH, Ha! consider the positives! Back then everyone wanted us, military, companies that would even train their new hires...... now the kid, a grad or not is "lucky" to be able to contribute his labors and gifts. But....... other than counting rap as music and being able to understand the words, not much of a musical score to accompany today's "choices".

Jack

Thompson: Some good thoughts from Port Huron

"Automation brings unemployment instead of mere leisure for all and greater achievement of needs for all people in the world -- a crisis instead of economic utopia."

.......... not bad for '62! though until recently I argued the "freeing up to do other things and improve std of living" side.

In a participatory democracy, the political life would be based in several root principles:

that decision-making of basic social consequence be carried on by public groupings;

that politics be seen positively, as the art of collectively creating an acceptable pattern of social relations;
that politics has the function of bringing people out of isolation and into community, thus being a necessary, though not sufficient, means of finding meaning in personal life;

that the political order should serve to clarify problems in a way instrumental to their solution;

it should provide outlets for the expression of personal grievance and aspiration;

opposing views should be organized so as to illuminate choices and facilities the attainment of goals; channels should be commonly available to related men to knowledge and to power so that private problems -- from bad recreation facilities to personal alienation -- are formulated as general issues.


The economic sphere would have as its basis the principles:

that work should involve incentives worthier than money or survival. It should be educative, not stultifying;
creative, not mechanical; selfdirect, not manipulated, encouraging independence; a respect for others, a sense of dignity and a willingness to accept social responsibility, since it is this experience that has crucial influence on habits, perceptions and individual ethics;
that the economic experience is so personally decisive that the individual must share in its full determination;
that the economy itself is of such social importance that its major resources and means of production should be open to democratic participation and subject to democratic social regulation.

........ I hear the millenials talking about what sort of cog they want to be. It seems a while since we've heard much idealism. I'm reminded of studies showing pride of workmanship when employees built a whole unit as compared to putting in the bumper bolts. Long way from those being paid $15 to "robo-sign" the docs of rotten mortgages day after day w/o even knowing what they were producing and what crap it turned into being.

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So, Posner is bringing up the lack of leadership issue again. Every time I see this argument for the impending failure of the OWS movement in comes in conjunction with a misunderstanding: the OWS movement is not about "putting their guy in power." They don't want a candidate to represent the views held by the majority of their movement. They don't want someone to champion their cause.

The movement is about the spread of ideas. This is the reason behind the 90% vote threshold idea. Until every significant minority group feels heard, they aren't going anywhere. They are not looking for a mouth piece; they are the mouth piece and, quite frankly, people are listening. When the protests started Mitt Romney condemned OWS as a disorganized mob. After one week he came out with a statement pandering to the "understandable" anger that Americans are feeling.

All that needs to happen for OWS to succeed is for their issues to become necessary talking points in the Obama, Romney, Cain and Bachman campaigns, which has already happened to a large degree. When the CURRENT presidential candidates realize that they need to appease the OWS movement to win the election, then it will have succeeded regardless of physical presence, candidates or leadership.

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I hope the essence of OWS, i.e., protest against present-day income inequality, gets through the fog of disorderly group behavior and lodges itself in the political campaign.

Jack

Oneaveragebear................... good observations. I think right on!

And great! as THE function of our form of government IS that to bring in the concerns of the nation, weigh them and respond to them. There is just about a full year left to go!

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This can't last forever!

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All of the sci-fi stories pointed to a shorter work week, more leisure time and industries developing around increased leisure time coupled with the income to enjoy it.

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Global demographics instruct that manufacturing job growth in nations with emerging economies will continue to outpace manufacturing job growth in America.

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Thank you for such an informative website and post on the EU debt crisis. German tax-payer will react to the prospect of higher taxes oer many years to bail out weaker EU member nations. This is particularly the case when there seems to be constant and volatile opposition in these weaker EU nations to austerity measures.

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I think it's hilarious, albeit tragic and appalling, that those who think like pathological narcissists or sociopaths - content not to think beyond the cramped confines of their own comfortable little plutocratic niche.

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