October 7, 2007
Free Speech in American Universities--Posner
At about the same time that Iran's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, was speaking at Columbia University and being insulted by his introducer, the university's president, liberal law professor Lee Bollinger, former Harvard president and former Secretary of the Treasurer under Clinton, Larry Summers, was being disinvited to address the University of California Board of Regents after being denounced by University of California faculty as a symbol of gender and racial prejudice, and Erwin Chemerinsky, a left-leaning constitutional law professor, was being reinvited to be dean of the law school of the University of California at Irvine after being disinvited, apparently because of concern about his politics.
What can we learn about American universities todayf rom this confluence of bizarre events ? We can learn that the nation's elite universities are well to the left of the population as a whole. Not that "left" is quite the precise term for Ahmadinejad, a Holocaust denier who would like to see Israel wiped off the face of the earth and may well be seeking nuclear weaponry in violation of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty of which Iran is a signatory. But his status as an enemy of the United States and a leader of a revolutionary Third World state that overthrew a monarch (the Shah of Iran) allied with the United States makes him more acceptable to the left than the Democratic Jewish ex-president of Harvard who dared to raise the question whether there might be a genetic explanation for the fact that the female distribution of IQ is flatter than the male, although the means are the same, the distributions largely overlap, and thus there are plenty of women in the scientific and other professions who are more brilliant than many of their male colleagues.
Throughout most of the history of higher education in the United States, colleges and universities were on the same political wavelength as the nation as a whole. When I was a student at Yale College in the 1950s, the politics of the student body was revealed by the fact that when during the 1956 presidential campaign Adlai Stevenson gave a talk at Yale (which I attended), he was roundly booed, though not by me, and of course Eisenhower went on to win a landslide reelection.
The faculty and students of the colleges and universities moved to the left in the 1960s, along with much of the intelligentsia--journalists, pundits, young lawyers, teachers, congressional staffers, and the like. But, curiously, when beginning in the late 1970s, and accelerating with the election of Reagan in 1980, the country as a whole moved right, the colleges and universities stayed where they were--not the students, who had moved with the times, but the faculty and the administrators. And there they remain, not all of them of course; but the humanities, and the social sciences except economics, and the law schools (but of course not the business schools), and the admissions offices (with their zeal for affirmative action), are well to the left of the population as a whole, and to the left of their students. This is especially true of the elite private and public universities and the leading liberal arts colleges, apart from Catholic institutions.
The reasons are mysterious. One may be the attraction--also mysterious--of Jews for left-wing causes, an attraction that the embourgeoisement of American Jews and the virtual disappearance in America of Christian anti-Semitism has not eliminated. Jews occupy a disproportionate number of faculty positions at elite colleges and universities.
Probably another reason for the left's influence in higher education is that Americans who came of age during the late 1960s, a portion of whom were radicalized then, are today in senior positions in many faculties. (A man or woman who was 18 in 1968 is 57 today.) A third reason may be the dearth of other outlets, besides faculty politics, for political activism today. There is no serious left-wing movement in the United States. There is a strident Republican right influential in the Republican Party, but the strident Democratic left exerts little influence on the Democratic Party. You can post an angry comment on MoveOn.org, but that cannot be a very satisfactory mode of political expression compared to frightening the University of California's Board of Regents into embarrassing itself by disinviting a Democrat of Larry Summer’s stature and distinction, or épater-ing the bourgeoisie by inviting Ahmadinejad to thunder against Bush and the West from a perch on Morningside Heights.
An ironic counterpoint to university leftism is the increasing, and increasingly successful, imitation of business firms by America's colleges and universities. The leading universities are becoming giant corporations with multi-hundred-million dollar (or even billion dollar) budgets. As they grow, they need and so they hire professional management. Professional university management, in turn, takes its cues from its peers in the business sector. So we have universities deeply involved in hedge funds, greedy for supracompetitive investment returns, engaged in the commercialization of scientific research, angling for applications for admission by the children of the rich, manipulating their statistics in order to move up in U.S. News & World Report’s college rankings (for example by fuzzing up their admissions criteria, so that they get more applicants and therefore turn down more and so appear more selective), exaggerating the job prospects of their advanced-degree graduates, bidding for academic stars by offering high salaries and low teaching loads, and, related to the bidding wars, creating a two-tier employment system with tenured and tenure-track faculty on top and tenure-less, benefit-less graduate students and temporaries on the bottom to do the bulk of the teaching. And so the modern American university system allows its faculty and administrators to live right, while thinking left.
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Maybe it is just me, but a lot of those things described as living right in the last paragraph sound undesirable and likely unethical. No doubt one of the few times we will agree on a characterization of the right.
I am glad that you do not identify Ahmadinejad as a leftist, but the piece then proceeds as if his presence at Columbia proved that universities were run by leftists. The logic would be the exact same, and similarly loose, if your post was about how universities are dominated by fundamentalist Shiites.
I actually have a hard time picturing the professor who would both oppose Larry Summers and welcome Ahmadinejad. In fact there may not be such a person because the two incidents occurred at unrelated universities 3,000 miles apart.
The Chemerinsky situation seems to me a cautionary tale about how beholden universities are to their big money donors. Not sure about the rest of you, but when I think powerful big money donors I usually don't think liberal.
I also am not sure that political opinions have really changed all that much since the 60s. It goes without saying that the opinions of the elite policy makers has changed, but I think that a far different thing. Look at the SCHIP battle, something like 75% of Americans are in favor. The program seems to me to a classic Great Society type program and its approval is sky high. But I assume that neither Becker nor Posner supports the program, putting them in a group with that consists mainly of Beltway pundits, George Bush and slightly more than a third of the Senate.
Posted by Ben at October 8, 2007 12:30 AM | direct link
perhaps another reason is that conservatives are not willing to work for university wages and would rather work in the more lucrative private sector
Posted by chris at October 8, 2007 12:47 AM | direct link
Posner is correct: there is something of a double standard when it comes to speech on campus. For example, at the law school where I teach, my colleagues have privately decried the problem of plaigarism and cheating generally at innumerable faculty meetings, but when I recently published a short piece on the subject, I was villified by those same colleagues.
Posted by paco at October 8, 2007 1:00 AM | direct link
Somehow i'm not surprised that two generally conservative intellectuals made an argument off of nothing other than stereotypes. Where is the data to support any of your conclusions? Neither of these posts live up to the standards set by previous posts.
Posted by BK at October 8, 2007 2:24 AM | direct link
I think Chris' remark in the comments section has quite a bit of mileage. Conservative theorists tend to drift toward more lucrative and influential 'think tank' positions, while left-leaning academics stay on campus. The reason for this, as Posner states, is the lack of a forceful leftist movement.
One must wonder, however, if the lack of a true leftist movement is because most of them settle for low-paying professorships and thus develop little political influence. A chicken or the egg question.
Two other points:
1. I found it odd that Posner mentioned Summers' Jewishness when contrasting him to Ahmadinejad. I don't see how his Jewishness makes him a target of left when most of the left is comprised of Jewish intellectuals.
2. The title of the post is a bit misleading. 'Free Speech in American Universities' is a segue rather than the main thrust of the post. Freedom of Speech on campus is often used as a rally cry for conservatives, but most of the victims have been left-leaning academics (Prof. Finkelstein at DePaul being a recent example). Last I checked, Rumsfeld was able to secure his position at the Hoover Institute.
Perhaps, Posner and Becker's comments are geared toward leftists and conservatives in the economic, rather than political, sense? There is a difference between the two that is often disregarded.
Posted by Hasan at October 8, 2007 2:27 AM | direct link
Whew!! That fast switchback from a couple of invite, uninvite issues to our nation's "elite" universities being hot-beds of the left and out of touch with the "changes" wrought by Reaganism. Geez, I almost fell off my bicycle! And woe! the sins of having toppled a "monarch" Shah of Iran, whose own installation was greatly assisted by our CIA.
For my part I don't think we're well served at all to hear only the vague rhetoric of "they all want to kill us" while hearing little or nothing from either the numerous factions of Iraq or what the Iranians have to say in response to our President's charges. I understand, most, of the myriad reasons for the two leaders not to take a conciliatory hike together at Camp David though our Presidents did meet with Soviets during a time of enmity, human rights violations and hostilities such as Afghanistan.
A venue such as an "elite" university seems an ideal forum to hear "our enemy's" side of the story however disagreeable it may be to us. Further it gives our pundits a chance to parse his claims and compare them to what they know of his actions.
For professorships it seems the question is so different from "free speech" and a visiting speaker I wonder why Posner included the issue of Rumsfeld and the Hoover Institute. Is having walked the halls of power enough? Or might the institute have thought the quality of his arguments lacking? A tough question and one, I suppose that would be related to the syllabus of his course or area of "research".
My guess is that freer access by the Russian people to outside media had a lot more to do with the implosion of the USSR than did "outspending them" in the arms race. Come to think of it, the arrival of television had a lot to do with the success of the civil rights movement. Embrace free speech, there is nothing better than a good controversy at our colleges be they "elite" or.......... the other kind? Jack
Posted by Jack at October 8, 2007 5:27 AM | direct link
Typo? You refer to "the fact that the female distribution of IQ is flatter than the male", but I believe it's the other way around.
Posted by Tom Myers at October 8, 2007 8:24 AM | direct link
I'm disappointed Ward Churchill's "little Eichmann's" comment and the famous letter from the Duke University professors concerning the false rape accusation scandal didn't make it into the comment.
It is distressing to me that when educated people say absurd things and are challenged that their automatic defense is not the data or reasoning that forms the basis of their thinking but the throwing down of some magically criticism-muting trump card of "free speech".
Perhaps "quality of logic and evidence" speech should be the higher standard for discourse from tenured faculty rather than an "unmitigated license to recklessly defame". The problem, to me, is not "leftist" thinking but the lack of rationalism from what should be its wellspring.
Judge Posner also says:
...for the fact that the female distribution of IQ is flatter than the male, although the means are the same, the distributions largely overlap, and thus there are plenty of women in the scientific and other professions who are more brilliant than many of their male colleagues.
Actually, though perhaps the above is a kind of typo, Secretary Summers did not say that at all, and the reaction to what he said wouldn't have made much sense if he did. That reaction, and the continued irrational knee-jerk demonization of the man by intelligent and educated people compells me to restate his case.
What he said was that the population data indicate that the means are *not* the same, that the average male IQ is lower than the population average, and the average female IQ is higher.
On its face that would suggest that, in an "equal" society, women should dominate intellectual fields. But this would not necessarily be true if the "flatness" of the distributions by gender were different for some reason, and in fact it turns out that the male standard deviation is much larger (the distribution is flatter) than the females.
In keeping with this, women are supraproportionately represented in above-average intelligence fields in general (like teaching), but are infraproportionately represented at the highest levels.
This means that there are a significant number of men in a range of very low intelligence where you find practically no women, but also that there is a level of high intelligence in the top few percent where the number of men begin to reach parity with the number of women, and going beyond that at the level of "genius" or "brilliance", where men begin to appear in dominant numbers.
All Secretary Summers said was that with a meritocratic selection process in an institution that selects for brilliance, the shape of the curves would yield a higher proportion of men automatically and without discrimination. In other words, that there was no need (and that it is unhelpful and perhaps insincere) to conjure hard-to-define and impossible-to-disprove phantom concepts of "institutional" and "subconscious" discrimination merely because the genders are not proportionally represented.
And then he went one bridge too far by suggesting that the shapes of the gender intelligence distributions, and that fact that they are stubbornly preserved between different age groups, and even different societies, could have a genetic basis with its origin in the different adaptive and selective mechanisms between the genders necessary for survival in a state of nature.
The main unstated "infuriating" implication of all this being that "not only are we not doing anything wrong, but that there may be nothing we can do to equalize the proportions while remaining meritocratic" In other words "How I learned to stop worrying and love the prospect of a permanently disproportionately male Harvard faculty"
Now, for all anyone knows for sure at this point, this conclusion could be true or false. There is some compelling evidence, but there is also a great deal of uncertainty given the difficulty of running controlled experiments (which is the case in most Social Science).
What Secretary Summers suggested is that intelligent and educated professors should be able to engage objectively and professionally with the idea without immediately screaming discrimination when the numbers don't come out "right" - or in agreement with their particular beliefs - on the basis on the numbers alone.
He was right that they should, but he was wrong that they would, and especially wrong in thinking that they would be at all reasonable and fair to a man who, even in good-faith, says things that challenge the faith in deeply-held assumptions and may threaten the realization of their dreams and visions for the future.
That such a man should be essentially fired and permanently shunned and boycotted for saying such a thing is a great shame and embarrassment to our society and creates a certain level of suspicion about who, exactly, should enjoy these professors' purported commitment to free speech.
Posted by ChinaCoalWatcher at October 8, 2007 8:45 AM | direct link
Some thoughts:
Yes yes, anyone who has been to university in the last decade knows that the reactionary right continues to believe that it is being repressed despite all indications that their influence rose dramatically throughout the ReagaBush years. Perhaps this comes from confusing being wrong with being oppressed.
I was left of the faculty and my peers at law school, but I also doubt that Posner's experiences of the politics of students at UChicago are generalizable. I think the students have an understanding that the baby-boomers are incapable of recognizing and that will not have its day until the "greatest generation" subsides into senility.
I know that no one in America believes that totalitarianism is a real possibility, not having shared the experience of 1930s euro-fascism. But one wonders what having universities in line with mainstream jingoistic conservatism would bring about. Suprising conclusions come out of echo chambers.
Posted by Corey at October 8, 2007 11:26 AM | direct link
University professors (even outside the discipline of biology) are more likely than the average citizen to believe in evolution. And University professors (even outside the disciplines of psychology and psychiatry) are more likely to believe that homosexuality is not a choice and exists in all cultures. And University professors are less likely than the average citizen to believe in astrology. I doubt that one would use this data as prima facie evidence that academics were biased.
So why not entertain the possibility that university professors are more likely to be Democrats because Democrats have more intelligent policies? In the end such a possibility may in fact not be the case, but it seems to me that it should be entertained before going on to other hypotheses.
Posted by sceptic at October 8, 2007 11:56 AM | direct link
I find it funny that some people still refuse to believe that universities tend strongly toward the left. These people either didn't go to college or went to college but are so blinded by their liberalism that they feel the leftist political atmosphere there is the normal spectrum, and the real world is just hopelessly conservative.
One unfortunate side effect of strong leftism on campus, I believe, is that political ideology substitutes to some extent for academic quality as factors that determine one's grade in certain humanities classes. As a consequence, these classes and the majors they constitute are are not taken seriously as academic subjects either in the real world or among the rest of the student body. Unfortunately those who take these classes often realize this fact too late. Basically any subject or major that ends in "studies" fits this model.
Posted by Adam at October 8, 2007 12:02 PM | direct link
Sceptic, it is true that university professors often are right on issues which they disagree with uneducated conservatives. However, don't then assume that because of this they must be right, or are more likely to be right, on issues which they disagree with educated conservatives. The alternative between today's liberalism on campus is not religious fundamentalism of the "earth made in 6 days" variety. A conservative who disbelieves evolution and believes the earth was created in 6 days is not the type who would replace liberal professors at universities.
Posted by Adam at October 8, 2007 12:13 PM | direct link
But, curiously, when beginning in the late 1970s, and accelerating with the election of Reagan in 1980, the country as a whole moved right,...
As far as the country as a whole, let's wait until the 2008 elections to see which way things are moving. It's not inconceivable that Hillary will be president and the Democrats will have solid majorities in Congress.
We can learn that the nation's elite universities are well to the left of the population as a whole.
When it comes to economics, there are people who favor high levels of government spending on the military and there are people who favor high levels of spending on academic pursuits (education and research). Not surprisingly, people associated with the military want the government to spend money on the military and people associated academia want the government to spend money on academia.
When it comes to social issues, people who have spent years trying gain a detailed understanding of the way the world works (e.g. academics) are less likely to go in for the simple-minded authoritarian "check your brain at the door" religious organizations. For example, I've seen claims that about 90% of the general population believes in God but only about 25% of professional scientists believe in God.
As to things that are popular with supporters of the current Bush administration (wars of aggression, torturing innocent people, fiscal irresponsibility), the reason that academics disagree on these things is probably because academics are slightly less selfish and simple-minded than the population as a whole. For example, the vast majority of academics who were experts on Iraq correctly predicted that invading Iraq would be a horrific mess.
Posted by Wes at October 8, 2007 1:21 PM | direct link
One wonders if Felix Frankfurter, were he still alive, would continue to adhere to the belief he once expressed in Wieman v. Updegraff, 344 U.S. 183, 196 (1952): "To regard teachers--in our entire education system, from the primary grades to the university--as the priests of our democracy is . . .not to indulge in hyperbole." Maybe it is, after all.
Posted by Tom Rekdal at October 8, 2007 3:19 PM | direct link
Worst post ever.
Posted by USD Law Student at October 8, 2007 8:24 PM | direct link
Judge Posner writes:
"There is no serious left-wing movement in the United States."
He surely jokes, or has lost touch with American political reality. How disappointing.
Posted by Jake at October 8, 2007 9:49 PM | direct link
"live right and think left?" haha. cute ending to a pleasant read.
i dont believe "the right" should have a monopoly on fiscally sound, real world policies, just as the left must live in a dreamy, never-in-the-real-world idealist state.
i'd hope that the university is a space that can find that common ground -- and that is precisely where academia is positioning itself.
a true "left" wouldn't want to live in vain just as a true "right" doesn't really want to simply make big bucks with their "hedge funds" and corporate-privatization of the University... right?
Posted by jason at October 8, 2007 10:12 PM | direct link
Jason sez:
I don't believe "the right" should have a monopoly on fiscally sound, real world policies, just as the left must live in a dreamy, never-in-the-real-world idealist state.
.......... Jason, after seeing the spectacle of "the right" getting all the gavels and then setting the post WWII record for expanding the size and cost of the Federal government in their first term, with no hint of a veto from the White House, I'd be more than happy if they had even a tiny franchise on "fiscally sound, REAL world policies" much less "a monopoly".
As for "dreamyneverintherealworld" fantasy, will there come a time when "the right" comes to undertand that the US will NOT be competitive in the "global economy" while spending twice the percentage of GDP on a patchwork of healthcare as do the nations with which we are supposed to "compete?"
Is there a "realworld" inkling of why the dollar has lost 60% of its value by comparison to the Canadian looney in the half dozen years of "fiscally sound" "policy?"
If something new has come out that allows us to spend and borrow our way to a decent standard of living for most of our citizens I'd like to be in on it. Jack
Posted by Jack at October 9, 2007 2:01 AM | direct link
Universities are left? Depends on which department you are asking. While it is true that counties with universities tend to vote more democratic than republican, I hardly see the direct connection.
Posted by Anonymous at October 9, 2007 7:56 AM | direct link
I agree with Judge Posner's comments except to add that, assuming the correctness of his premise, i.e., that America's colleges and universities are decidedly Left-leaning while (ironically) being rapaciously capitalistic in the way that they are run, this fact would matter little if teaching rather than indoctrinationn were the order of the day on college campuses. College students have the right to be free of indoctrination in the classroom irrespective of the personal beliefs of those who teach them. It is this right that has been breached and it is this right that has to be restored.
Posted by robert at October 9, 2007 7:58 AM | direct link
Brilliant logic: most professors don't believe in God; therefore, they are less likely to think irrationally; therefore, they are more likely to think critically and objectively; therefore, their carefully crafted, non-politically motivated conclusions about society and politics must be correct, and no honest debate is required, or permitted. You're a hero to simple-minded people everywhere, Wes. Thanks for pointing it out in a sublime way!
Posted by DCLawyer at October 9, 2007 9:40 AM | direct link
Universities are to the left. Reagan recognized that as far back as 1975. There is an old adage, "those that can't do teach." This simplifies it, but there is a grain of truth to every stereotype and this is no different.
Virtually every professor I had during my undergraduate years was left of center.
I have counseled my daughter to play the game on essay questions with professors and play to their liberal bias for a higher grade. If she answered with a "conservative" answer, she would be marked down.
Posted by jeff at October 9, 2007 5:05 PM | direct link
DCLawyer: Counselor??? You begin with "Brilliant logic" but quickly shift to "beliefs?" And, as quickly tap dance back to a discussion of rationality? and further mention of critical and objective thinking.
Perhaps the conclusion and best of Wes' comments was: "For example, the vast majority of academics who were experts on Iraq correctly predicted that invading Iraq would be a horrific mess."
Logically, critically and objectively, one can not help but wonder why knowledgeable experts were not consulted on such a momentous decision to invade, occupy and "fix" Iraq, according to our criteria, while there was time to avoid the horrific mess. The most urgent of timelines suggested indicated "maybe" a nukie in three years, so the rush to invade was hardly logical.
Are we then left with the belief systems of the ideologues of the neocons who signed the letter urging President Clinton to invade Iraq on the same faulty assumptions? Perhaps it's a good to discipline ourselves to separate our beliefs from objective debate? Except when lobbying or trying to convince a jury?
Posted by Jack at October 9, 2007 9:31 PM | direct link
Summer actually did *not* say whether the IQ distribution for males or females has a higher mean; he stated that apart from that issue there's the issue of the standard deviation, and that if it the far RHS of the distribution from which profs in elite universities are drawn, then differing StDev could help account for the observed male:female ratios, and that this hypothesis should be investigated.
So why wasn't he roundly condemned for suggesting the hypothesis that there are so many more dumb men? (And would a test to see whether there are many more very dumb men than women constitute a test of Summer hypothesis?)
Posted by Charles N. Steele at October 9, 2007 11:48 PM | direct link
There is an old adage, "those that can't do teach."
In my field (science), top level professors do very little teaching. In theory, most of their time is spent conducting scientific research but in practice most of their time is spent navigating government bureaucracy in order to maintain funding for their research group (and, indirectly, for their University in general).
One could try to argue that liberals are more likely to have careers that rely on government support rather than free market business but even that contradicts my actual experience. In particular, of the two most fervent supporters of the Bush administration that I knew personally one had a lifetime career in the military and the other had a lifetime career in the state highway department.
In fact, I would go so far as to say that a fundamental characteristic of modern conservatives is a belief in the necessity of a strong hierarchy of authority in which the good people at the top of the hierarchy control the bad people at the bottom of the hierarchy. The way to advance in the hierarchy is obedience to your (moral) superiors. While this belief makes conservatives well suited to certain large corporate environments (quasi-"free market") it also makes conservatives well suited to large government bureaucracies.
Virtually every professor I had during my undergraduate years was left of center.
I don't think I even knew what my undergraduate professor's political views were. I once had a staunchly conservative relative ask me if my professors were liberal and I misunderstood the question and answered that they gave quite a bit of homework but there were mechanism in place to get an extension if you couldn't get it done in time.
More recently, some of the conversations I've had with other friends in science have touched on the idea that many of the claims made by the Bush administration are scientifically implausible. That's not a view we share with students, though.
Posted by Wes at October 10, 2007 12:54 PM | direct link
Posner's closing remark about a two tier system at universities is dead on. I am curious how long a culture that oppresses its workforce like graduate school can continue to thrive. My personal experience in graduate school was bleak. Professors taught 1-2 classes and rode their graduate students for every once of work that could be pushed out in a day. In return the wages came down to ~$3/hour for a 12-14 hour day and that included the tuition that was being paid on my behalf.
What about graduate school in the sciences is schooling that requires a tuition payment. The intellectual property that is a graduate students work product has direct financial worth to the university. Grant funded research is charged overhead for the space, professors are charged fees for their students, and patents resulting from the work are owned by the universities where they are produced.
Posted by Josh at October 10, 2007 1:04 PM | direct link
Posner-
I found your post revealing about the goings-on at elite unis, etc.
Let me tell you, as one +70 and studied in Bay Area as undergraduate during 1956-62, that academia seems to have changed dramatically into a thinkless-tank of "idiots" who have forgotten the purpose of a uni, in the first place.
What is relevant today is one's "market value" and NOT one's "real" knowledge, if I understand the input in this blog.
Yes! I'd have voted also for AdlaiStevenson(from Illinois) in 1956. Because he was (also) an academic, if I recall.
Yet, in my uni we'd profs who're conservative and those who're liberal -> but that didn't STOP our learning process! Why is an ideological criteria such an important element now in US academia?
I don't agree with Summers - most of the time when it comes to "globalization/trade policy".
But I don't dispute his intellectual power and what he has achieved in professional/govt. His pedegree is awesome, to start with!
Now, what Pres. of Columbia did when introducing and criticizing Pre.of Rep.of Iran, as his official guest, was Un-American in my opinion!
America was never afraid of "opinions" in my time!
Let alone Iran - an artifical ememy created by GWB to portray his devastating illegitimate views of an "evil empire"!
Methinks GWB is "evil incarnate" because he's devastated US image around the world! By invading Iraq on false pretence....
Eisenhower, if he was alive, would have found a way to recruit him in VietnamWar - to give him some real-life experience!
As a jurist, you should be bit more careful of your language when making a comparison between Summers rejection by Berkely students and what transpired at Columbia: they're very different cattle of fish!
Gibbons spoke/wrote about the fall and decline of a famous empire...I'm beginning to think/believe the American empire is finally in decline if universties have become enemies of "knowledge".
I was taught by my famous profs - who all came from Chicago (Hutchins!) - that knowledge is power!
What the hell is wrong with America today?
Posted by hari at October 10, 2007 2:27 PM | direct link
Posner missed one of the "live right" indicators at the modern college - the exploitation of their students to shady deals with major lenders.
College tuition has tripled since the 70s. Student loan debt is frankly crushing. The recent scandals of college administrations accepting kickbacks from the lending industry ought to be a wake-up call that these institutions are not primarily concerned with serving our kids.
Posted by Rathje at October 11, 2007 9:17 AM | direct link
We have absolutely not seen the "virtual disappearance in America of Christian anti-Semitism." As recently as last week, Ann Coulter said that the USA would be "better if we were all Christian" and that "we just want Jews to be perfected." I'm not sure who "we" is--but I find her comments to signify the strength of anti-Semitism on the Right.
An article about the interview is available at:
http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003657196
Posted by Rachel at October 11, 2007 5:11 PM | direct link
Posner is interesting as always. The comments are almost uniformly blinkered and ideological, if not willfully ignorant. The fact that universities are significantly to the Left of the American public has been verified in any number of surveys.
The interesting question is why. And whether the stated beliefs (and voting patterns) correlate with actual behavior.
The factors mentioned -- like jealousy and envy are clearly part of the answer. I think many political beliefs are largely class and tribal markers. Just as liking certain types of movies, books, restaurants, clothes, etc are ways of showing membership and allegiance to certain subcultures and tribes ... so, too, do publicly stated political beliefs serve to show group belonging.
People who want to belong to the intellectual, academic class of society quickly learn which public beliefs are required by the tribe. If you mouth enviro platitudes while jetting around the world for work, study, and play ... then you are showing your "progressive" membership badge.
I think tribal beliefs like this can become self-reinforcing ... and entirely separate from real belief or behavior. Enviro doom-mongering is a good example because the behavior of the elite is so opposite of their stated beliefs. No one really believes (as judged by behavior) the world is heading for catastrophe except for fringe kooks. It's just one of those religious articles of faith you have to parrot to be accepted in the tribe.
All clubs and tribes have irrational beliefs that members must publicly state, and they don't all serve a purpose outside of reinforcing group membership.
Posted by jim at October 11, 2007 6:29 PM | direct link
I don't see how so many people can suggest that universities do not in fact have a 'liberal' bias. Seriously, I don't fault Posner for not providing stats in this case. The fact couldn't be more obvious. Honestly. But to prevent further time being wasted on this silly point, I cite:
http://www.wjh.harvard.edu/%7Engross/lounsbery_9-25.pdf
Which indicates that 77.6% of professors voted for Kerry in the 2004 election. With the tendency to vote democratic being considerably higher in the humanities and social sciences, fields in which professors are most likely to have the opportunity to incorporate their political views into the curriculum. Although we may note that preference for Kerry over Bush was roughly 3:1 in economics departments and 2:1 in business departments. So even these bastions of 'conservatism' were more 'liberal' than the population at large.
I scare quote liberal and conservative in the above discussion because, for my own point, I would like to argue that the very concept of left and right, liberal and conservative, is of dubious utility. The fact that the natural equilibrium of our American political system is that of a political duopoly seems to have lead to the de facto assumption that it is reasonable to express the universe of possible political viewpoints as consisting of a one dimensional spectrum. The implicit assumption being that each party represents a bundle of political views and that all other viewpoints can be defined by some linear combination of these two bundles. I would be surprised to find any educated person trying to support this assumption explicitly, but I wish we could acknowledge the absurdity of this common mode of thinking and abandon the entire concept of left and right in favor of a consideration of individual issues on their own merits.
The disutility of such linear thinking can be seen clearly in the above 'discussion'. The absurdity of creationism, or the misguidedness of the American invasion of Iraq, have no logical bearing on the merits of policies in health care, or energy. Yet representing political possibilities linearly allows one element of a bundle to taint the entire set of preferences and thus is expected to force reasoning individuals toward the opposite end of the spectrum.
In the spirit of this argument I will close by saying that I think that academics are biased in favor of socialistic policy. While I will not dispute that professors disagree with many elements of the republican platform for reasons that are merely logical, and that in this way the correlation is driven by their high level of education inspiring them to be more discerning than the general population, in the case of academic favor for socialism I see an ingrained bias. My disagreement with the policies of socialism stems form various empirical and theoretical economic considerations. I merely consider them inexpedient techniques, even if one were to aim primarily at the reduction of inequality and unfairness. I believe that a majority of economists would agree with this judgment, to one degree or another. But I believe that many professors in the humanities and social sciences provide an interpretation of their field that is skewed in favor of an interventionist, or planned approach to economics. Indeed, the above-linked paper indicates that 17.6% of social science professors would self identify themselves as Marxists (with 24% identifying as radical liberals, and a ratio of 14:1 voting democrat). That such a large number would make so strong a statement suggests to me that many more lean toward such ideas with slightly more moderation. It is my belief that this preponderance of socialist thinking is perpetuated by biased presentation of course material in the above fields and by the pressure of seeking peer acceptance in scholarly circles. I do not mean to say that these professors are not firmly convinced of the correctness of their view, merely that their conviction is the result of irrational processes.
I think that Posner's post implies that it is those attempting to support such biased illogical views who are forced, due to the inadequacy of their reasoning and argumentation, to resort to tactics such as politically ostracizing those whose conclusions (or even hypothesis) conflict with their views.
Posted by Hank at October 11, 2007 8:30 PM | direct link
While I think Larry Summers was treated badly and unfairly, and to the detriment of our society, and while I believe much of academia has gone off course, joining in on the attempt to spin the Chemerinsky story into a gleeful cause celeb for the right is not this blog's brightest moment.
Posted by Independent at October 12, 2007 12:43 PM | direct link
For sceptic:
Surveys have shown that professors in the humanities and most social sciences are more likely to be Marxists or to take Marx's ideas more seriously than economists or natural scientists. Economists and natural scientists are less likely to be on the political left and less overwhelmingly Democrat than those in English, history, or sociology [despite also having more Democrats than Republicans].
Moreover, even-self identified leftists in econ are less likely to believe that free trade is harmful or high progressive taxes are good than others in the social sciences.
Perhaps we have to consider the possibility that those in the humanities/soc sciences are not only biased but grossly uninformed as well. They were also most likely to harbor extremists who were quick to decry fascism or dictatorship while apologizing for Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro, or Pol Pot at their worst.
When you have a hierarchy that treats a Democrat like Larry Summers as being on the Right or that often treats Rush Limbaugh as more extreme than Ward Churchill, then you've moved beyond parody.
Posted by jordn at October 12, 2007 12:57 PM | direct link
"We have absolutely not seen the "virtual disappearance in America of Christian anti-Semitism." As recently as last week, Ann Coulter said that the USA would be "better if we were all Christian" and that "we just want Jews to be perfected." I'm not sure who "we" is--but I find her comments to signify the strength of anti-Semitism on the Right."
Serious believers in all major proselytizing religions believe the world would be a better place if everybody shared their religion (especially when belief in that religion is a requirement for salvation). If Ann Coulter is anti-semitic for this belief, then virtually every believing Muslim and Christian is anti-semitic (really anti-everything). Coulter says lots of condemnable things, but this just isn't one of them.
Many atheists believe the world would be a better place without religion (some atheists conversely think it's a better place because of religion). I wouldn't say they were bigoted for wanting to see their views adopted or for even believing religious views were on the whole detrimental.
Posted by Hans Gruber at October 12, 2007 5:58 PM | direct link
...many professors in the humanities and social sciences provide an interpretation of their field that is skewed in favor of an interventionist, or planned approach to economics ... their conviction is the result of irrational processes.
Everyone has a different view of what kind of future they want to live in. The kind of future I want to live in is one where the robots do all the work and the humans balance their time between hobbies (e.g. scientific research and governance) and leisure (e.g. lounging on the beach with their families).Of course, at the moment robotic technology is not sufficiently advanced to do all the work so you need capitalism to "strongly encourage" people to do the work that needs doing. I see that as a temporary thing though. That is, I don't see that increasing the per capita GDP should be the ultimate goal of an economy.
Instead, I'd like to see society moving toward an economic model where machines increase the efficiency of labor in order to facilitate increasing amounts of leisure time. I'm not saying that capitalism is bad at this particular time in history (in fact, I think it's necessary) but, in a certain sense, I see that the goal of capitalism is to invent enough technology to make capitalism unnecessary (and even undesirable).
Is that a socialist view? Maybe. Is that an irrational view? Maybe, maybe not - but you'd be hard pressed to prove that it's any more irrational than rushing toward a future where everyone remains a slave to their work.
Posted by Wes at October 12, 2007 7:47 PM | direct link
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Posted by Jack at October 14, 2007 5:15 PM | direct link
Wes sez: "The kind of future I want to live in is one where the robots do all the work and the humans balance their time between hobbies (e.g. scientific research and governance) and leisure (e.g. lounging on the beach with their families)."
......... I share your goals for the future and they seem to sum up the goals and achievements of the progressive era since the beginning of the industrial revolution, though from time to time we seem to "lose our way" or forget? The "age of robotics" seems already here in some areas where costs are dropping sharply. It seems obvious that if most are to participate in such a future that some mechanism would have be implemented to ensure that dramatically rising productivity does in fact "lift all the boats".
Otherwise, the middle class that is crucial to the operation of a democracy will be destroyed by "the Walmart" model of an extremely wealthy owner class while those doing the work live on the edge of poverty or below. It's not only democracy that will suffer but the economy itself that relies on there being markets for all the cheaply produced goods.
BTW in considering, perhaps a changing model of capitalism there's the Oct Atlantic has an interesting article about Clinton's efforts to provide low cost drugs to Africa. Instead of approaching companies for charity, they instead "partner" with the company and look for opportunities to lower costs by dramatically scaling up production. They then approach African governments for very large contracts, if the price is much lower. In once sense, as Clinton admits, "This is not rocket science" and it simple economies of scale. The "new twist" though seems to be the magnitude of ramping up tenfold or more which in an industry of high development costs, and two tier pricing that spreads those costs and provides higher margins on their traditional business.
I liked it as it seemed to take us beyond some of the real, imagined, or even artificial scarcity of today's capitalism, and provide a strong example of a win-win where both the company and millions of people benefited.
And Ha! we should talk more about using a GDP that is made larger by national disaster, engaging in wars, lawsuits, and a multitude of make-work built-in inefficiencies, as a benchmark of our standard of living.
Posted by Jack at October 14, 2007 5:56 PM | direct link
free speech.
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