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February 03, 2008

Selling Illegal Residents the Right to Stay -Becker


No one knows for sure how many illegal immigrants are in the United States, Europe, and other countries, but there are surely many millions. Figures for the US, the country with the largest number, vary widely, but The Department of Homeland Security estimates that this country in 2006 had close to 12 million illegal residents. There is even greater disagreement about what should be done about these residents. This can be seen from the widely different stances taken by the presidential candidates and others.

At one extreme are those who call for the apprehension and eviction of as many illegal residents in the US as is possible. Yet this seems a very unrealistic goal when there are so many illegal residents; the US will not apprehend and return millions of persons to Mexico, or wherever else illegal residents came from. Nor is it desirable to go to the other extreme, and just give blanket amnesty to all illegal residents, for amnesty now would encourage future illegal immigration since they too would expect amnesty. Complete amnesty just makes a mockery of immigration laws, and rewards those who came to the US illegally, as opposed to the many potential immigrants who wait years for the right to immigrate legally.

I argued earlier on this blog that selling the right to immigrate would be the best approach to legal immigration (see my post on May 28, 2007 for details of this proposal). This approach would lead to acceptance of greater numbers of legal immigrants, perhaps by a lot, since the revenue from the payments by immigrants could replace other taxes. Paying for the right to immigrate would also negate the argument that immigrants get a free ride because they gain access to health care and other benefits. Moreover, making immigrants pay for to come attracts the type of immigrants who came much earlier in American history: younger men and women who are reasonably skilled, and who want to make a long-term commitment to the United States. These types would be more willing to pay a perhaps sizable price for admission because they would stand to benefit significantly from migrating. To prevent the price from excluding young and ambitious men and women who would like to immigrate but do not have the financial means, the US government could encourage a loan program to help finance the cost of immigrating that would be similar to the loans available to college students. The analogy to college students is close since immigration is also an investment in human capital.

One great advantage of selling the right to immigrate is that the same approach can be used to deal with illegal residents, so that it also helps solve the vexing problem of illegal immigration. Instead of offering free amnesty to illegal residents, this approach gives them an opportunity to legalize their status without giving them advantages over those who wait to come as legal immigrants. Illegal residents would be able to come forward and pay to change their status to that of legal residents. Many illegal residents would gladly pay for the right to become legal since that would open up enormously job and other opportunities available to them. The ability to buy the right to stay would be especially attractive to immigrants who want to make a long term commitment to this country since gaining this right stabilizes the future not only for them, but also for their children. Even though children of illegal immigrants born in this country are automatically citizens, younger children would tend to return with their parents if the parents are sent back.

Allowing illegal residents to convert their status to legal residents by paying the price to immigrate should satisfy both the hawks who do not want to give free amnesty to illegal residents, and the doves who do not want to force illegal immigrants to leave the country when they have been working and contributing to the economy. Under this proposed system, illegal residents would not get free amnesty since they would have to pay for the right to stay. Neither would they be forced to return to the countries they came from since they could buy the right to stay. Illegal residents should be required to pay more than those coming legally to punish them for having come illegally.

To be sure, the problem of illegal immigration would not go away even if all illegal residents could convert their status by paying the immigrant price (plus something extra). Some residents here illegally would try to avoid paying this price by remaining in the underground economy. These would be mainly illegal residents who only plan to work for a short while, accumulate a nest egg, and return to their home countries. If these immigrants were apprehended and want to stay, they should have to pay a higher penalty to stay than illegal residents who came forward voluntarily. If they refuse, they should be returned to where they came from, with possibly other penalties as punishment.


If one of the present immigration quotas prevented a person from coming legally, he can then either wait possibly a long time for a chance to come legally, or he could try to enter immediately as an illegal immigrant. A market for immigration gives these persons a legal alternative to immigrate when they want to because they can buy the right to immigrate legally. For this reason, an approach that sells the right to immigrate should greatly reduce the numbers of persons who come illegally, or remain as illegal residents. Effective policies have to be developed to cope with the remaining illegal residents and immigrants, but they will be a much smaller problem when many illegal residents would be able to legitimatize their status by paying for it. I do not believe that the problem of illegal immigration when everyone can buy the right to immigrate legally will be much more serious than is the black market in cigarettes, alcohol, and gasoline that has emerged in order to avoid the high taxes on legal transactions of these products.

The proposal I have made to sell the right to immigrate has been criticized as "repugnant", and contrary to the tradition of free and unlimited immigration to this country in the 18th and 19th centuries. But the immigration issues at present are also very different from those in earlier times. Immigration is no longer unlimited, for it is severely constrained by various quotas. Is selling the right to immigrate as repugnant as forcing millions of hardworking illegal immigrants to return home to countries they left possibly years ago? Or is a sale of immigration rights as repugnant as giving free amnesty to millions of persons who violated US laws by coming illegally? Selling the right to immigrate is a contemporary solution to a major contemporary immigration problem that has created deep divisions within the American population by pitting persons of different ethnic and skill backgrounds against each other. Instead of mindlessly using the word "repugnant", critics should concentrate on whether selling immigration slots to illegal residents as well as to immigrants who enter legally is a good way to help resolve these immigration conflicts. I believe it is.


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Fees and market mechanisms are proposed to create priorities for immigrants. However, the immigrants we value may not be the most financially well off. A liquid asset requirement does not necessarily correspond to industriousness, education, and willingness to take risks.


Also, immigration has many hurdles to overcome before financial success. Language, cultural customs, and education from recognized institutions for professional licensure are just some of the hurdles.


The bulk of the illegal immigrants are the result of the rural poor in this hemisphere moving to urban areas now that subsistance farming is no longer a viable social safety net. How do we resolve the illegal immigrant status of this group of immigrants?

Posted by David Anderson at February 3, 2008 04:17 PM | direct link

With goods we call this a tariff. It's preferable to hard quotas but it's hardly ideal.

Posted by RPFN at February 4, 2008 01:15 AM | direct link

(RPFN, please remind us of the ideal solution!)
While Becker's solution certainly sounds promising, there must be a parallel system for non-economic migrants, i.e. refugees.

Posted by J Monheim at February 4, 2008 03:08 AM | direct link

Another option would be higher income taxes for immigrants. It would reduce their competitive advantage over locals and increase tax revenue. This could reduce the local resistance to their entry. It could be setup as a 50% increase in federal income tax.

This could be combined with an initial fee. For example, if the fee was $10,000, the person might have to pay $2,000 to register with the scheme before being allowed entry and then the extra tax they pay would go towards paying off the the remaining $8k. When they have cleared the $8k, they would get a Green Card.

A person earning $15,000 a year pays $1859 per year in federal income taxes. At 50%, the excess tax would result in extra tax of $929 and take 8.6 years to pay off the remaining $8000.

This seems reasonable as even a low waged immigrant can reasonably expect to pay off the fee and also the extra taxes aren't crippling.

If the fee was set much larger than that, a situation could arise where immigrants have no hope of clearing the debt and they end up paying the higher tax rates for their entire lives.

Another option is to have a set number of permits per year and let the market decide the price by auctioning them off.

Posted by raphfrk at February 4, 2008 07:35 AM | direct link

"A person earning $15,000 a year pays $1859 per year in federal income taxes."

A person earning $15,000 a year probably pays negative income taxes (i.e., he gets more back from the EITC and other grants than he pays in taxes). The problem with the income tax scheme and Becker's proposal is that most illegal immigrants don't have the money, and earn so little that they pay less in taxes than they consume in government resources.

There already is a visa program similar to what Becker proposes for entrepreneurs though. The WSJ reported on it recently. A foreigner can get an expedited visa if he plans to invest $500k in a business in American that will hire x number of employees.

Posted by Dave at February 4, 2008 10:12 AM | direct link

Monheim, ideally we would have open immigration. Give out visas like candy but tie more government benefits (e.g., EITC, financial aid for college, Social Security, Medicare) to citizenship. In addition, instead of or in addition to a 5-year residency requirement for citizenship eligibility, there can be a other requirements, such as sufficient income tax payment, that demonstrates the unlikelihood of the applicant becoming a public charge in the future.

Posted by RPFN at February 4, 2008 12:38 PM | direct link

The proposal I have made to sell the right to immigrate has been criticized as "repugnant". That is easy to fix. Simply relabel the price as an "immigration tax".

Remember, selling something as sacred as citizenship is exploitation, but taxes are the dues we pay for being a member of a civilized society.

Posted by ad at February 4, 2008 01:08 PM | direct link

I would respectfully respond to Posner's (rhetorical?) question as to why we should care about those in line to immigrate legally, that by "rewarding" those who "cheat," we "signal" future decision makers that we are not to be trusted to play by our own rules. This could be avoided by offering those in line the same deal as we give to those who have bypassed the line (at a price reduced in proportion to how long they have already waited).

Of course this is all theoretical. Americans may not be fatalistic, but they have a terrible fear of ID cards. We will manage to get around this inconsistency, however, I predict: we will once again essentially pretend to take action, but in effect our actions will be cosmetic and we will continue "having our cake and eating it too" (i.e., pretending to abhore having an underclass, all the while reaping the very substantial benefits). Anyway, in the long run, as long as there are labor shortages, immigrants will come no matter what we do.

Posted by Robert Hill at February 4, 2008 01:28 PM | direct link

great idea

Posted by Ignacio at February 4, 2008 01:42 PM | direct link

This was already proposed in the McCain-Kennedy Amnesty Bill. McCain says it is not amnesty because there is a fine but he fails to point out that the Bill reduces existing fines and allows for interest-free time payments of said fines. Anyone not convicted of a U.S. crime can buy U.S. citizenship for $40 per month.

The Bill was defeated but if McCain is elected he will sign it when it is re-introduced. By the way, the Bill also calls for the increase of taxes to benefit illegal aliens by more than $2 trillion.

Posted by BillInOrlando at February 4, 2008 03:13 PM | direct link

I have a solution that is political infeasible, but probably ideal. The usual problem with immigrants is that they may generate negative externalities (whether by reducing trust or just by costing more than they pay in taxes). The simple solution would be for them to write a check: if the average immigrant costs the country $10,000 over his lifetime, the fee is $10,000.

That sounds unacceptable, so here's what I would propose: the immigrant's fee must be paid by his/her family, employer, or educational institution -- and that group is allowed to collect a fraction of the new immigrant's income to pay down the loan. So if Harvard's math PhD program wants the best Tsinghua has to offer, they'll gladly pay up -- in exchange for which each of their new PhD students agrees to pay 2% of their income to Harvard's endowment, in perpetuity (with a group of 20 PhD math PhDs, you can expect at least 5 quants who will be making mid six figures a few years after they matriculate); if Lennar Homes wants workers from Oaxahaca instead of Ohio, they'll pay for it -- upfront.

The nice thing about this scheme is that it outsources the problem of selecting good immigrants (especially if combined with some form of legal liability; immigrants' sponsors would be partially responsible for immigrants' crimes). We'd get fewer day laborers from Mexico, and more programmers from India -- and given the average family size, education, income, and crime rate of those groups, this would be good news for America.

The bad news is that it's basically serfdom, or at least indentured servitude. Garnishing someone's income -- even if they agree to it, and even if it isn't permanent -- is something that the government has made clear is the government's prerogative. But if economists have any political pull left, they should push this: if different groups are allowed to competitively set how much an individual should pay in taxes in order to maximize total tax revenue, we're one regression analysis away from finally figuring out where we are on the Phillips Curve

Posted by Byrne at February 4, 2008 04:25 PM | direct link

Another great idea from Judge P I subscribe to. If anyone knows anyone from Congress, please send them a link to this.

(Out of sheer curiosity, does anyone know who the hell thought this was "repugnant"?)

Posted by Andrew at February 4, 2008 04:50 PM | direct link

Oops, I meant "Another great idea from Becker I subscribe to."

Posted by Andrew at February 4, 2008 04:53 PM | direct link

This plan contains way too much common sense, it will never get past congress.

Posted by Nelson at February 4, 2008 05:32 PM | direct link

Just to make it clear: “repugnance” is a new notion, introduced in Economics by Al Roth in the last issue of the American Economic Review, I believe. It designate a transaction that you do not want to be happening--it is different that to consider unacceptable to take part yourself.

E.g. when a Muslim refuses to eat pork, but couldn't care less that the “roumi” have all the sausage in the world, it is “forbidden”; when some Californian want to ban all horse meat, not just they own, it is “repugnant”.

The other classic cases are organ donation, child work, sex: all are fine, unless done under merchant perspectives. In that respect, “you cannot sell American freedom” or similar argument would label Becker's offer as “repugnant” in the economic sense.

I, for once, have to say that --although there are many aspects of illegal alien life that don't seem to be taken into account in such an offer (the role of 'coyotes', loan sharks, current employers)-- this approach sounds like a idea to investigate, as it should at least help to get out of the usual conundrums on this question. If USA try it, it will for once be ahead of Europe in legislative approach.

Maybe I like it because it basically is a tax, and I can see no market anywhere near it. Taking about no market: how much should that be? Not the amount, but the basis of the calculation?

Posted by Bertil Hatt at February 5, 2008 12:48 AM | direct link

Ha! Very few illegal immigrants would pay it. They just don't have the cash, and the differential in benefits wouldn't be worthwhile.

With the current level of enforcement, an illegal immigrant has essentially the same rights and freedoms as a fully documented citizen.

None of these "clever ideas" will work because the resources to enforce the new "clever rules" are not forthcoming.

Posted by Jerry at February 5, 2008 01:06 AM | direct link

Another good idea. Keep good work and this blog :)

Posted by Tworzenie Stron at February 5, 2008 03:38 AM | direct link

nice to read

Posted by Interent Komputery at February 5, 2008 03:39 AM | direct link

I don't understand what would happen in the case of default on the loans used to finance citizenship? Would it be exactly similar to student loans--where because the underlying asset is not subject to repo it cannot be easily discharged in bankruptcy? Immigrants, though would not likely have the same incentive to maintain good credit history through not defaulting that current college graduates have. Most immigrants currently exist without access to credit markets, so the loss of that privilege because their credit scores were dinged by this default would not be as scary. I just don't see how this loan market would work in practice.

Posted by Iain at February 5, 2008 09:52 AM | direct link

Ha! Very few illegal immigrants would pay it. They just don't have the cash, and the differential in benefits wouldn't be worthwhile.

This depends on the price of the tax and the benefits received. No risk of being deported or fired for being born in the wrong place, right to join a union, right to file a complaint against the employer for unsafe working conditions, children's education, lower mortgage rates, protection of the law instead of persecution by the law, etc... These are but a few good reasons a person would be willing to pay for legitimacy.

Plus it is a mistake to assume that because some persons don't have money in Mexico, that they can't earn money in the US. There are several examples of immigrants earning, saving and spending money once in the US economy. This should be obvious given that most come over to work for better pay to begin with. Think of the complaints anti-immigrant forces were giving when Bank of America started letting illegal aliens open checking and savings accounts... this wouldn't even be an issue if they were truly destitute.

This ability to earn and save, when combined with with credit markets, makes the problem of paying a fee go away. A person could pay a "guest worker rights loan" back over time (along with their normal taxes) as they participate in the economy.

Posted by Nelson at February 5, 2008 10:49 AM | direct link

There's nothing brilliant about this proposal.

There is already a program offering a green card in exchange for an "investment".

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f35e66f614176543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=4ff96138f898d010VgnVCM10000048f3d6a1RCRD

Posted by Bob K. at February 5, 2008 11:05 AM | direct link

Bob K, could you fix your link, the site you goes to is the immigration site, but it's not obvious which link from there describes an investment green card.

Posted by Nelson at February 5, 2008 11:11 AM | direct link

Found it:


Of the 10,000 investor visas (i.e., EB-5 visas) available annually, 5,000 are set aside for those who apply under a pilot program involving an CIS-designated “Regional Center.”...

A limit of 10,000 is really really small. And the cost of $1,000,000 is really really large. This does nothing to better our current immigration situation.

Posted by Nelson at February 5, 2008 11:16 AM | direct link

The biggest risk with this is that some sugar daddy, along the lines of George Soros, decides paying for 2 million illegal aliens to become citizens is a great way to ensure the future dominance of the Democrat party. You would have to attach a lottery system and/or quotas to prevent perverse sponsorship.

Posted by Fresh Air at February 5, 2008 01:17 PM | direct link

You could have potential employers front the money to immigrants, just as we did once upon a time in this country.

We could even have employers bid for the right to hire immigrants. Farmers might bid a low amount for an unskilled worker while a tech company may bid a high price for an Indian tech worker. This auction could take many forms, an annual draft like sports teams, or a silent bid system.

Once you accept the idea of paying for the right to immigrate, the rest is just mechanics.

Could I sell my citizenship to an immigrant and then retire to a foreign country?


Posted by DanC at February 5, 2008 01:24 PM | direct link

Sure, why not. Evidently immigration to the U.S. appears to be a valuable commodity. With the deficits, both budgetary and trade wise, the Nation could certainly do with the extra income. But I have just one revision too make. Instead of setting a price, the value should be allowed to float on the open market like any other commodity. As for purchasers, only Nations should be allowed to bid. By doing this we may also be able to curb the problems of "ethnic cleansing" and genocide. By implementing this revision, we might be able to kill two birds with one stone.

Posted by neilehat at February 5, 2008 06:30 PM | direct link

I'm sure the Founding Fathers would be proud of our reducing immigration to a commodity. We could make it an offering on the futures markets and trade it like pork bellies, oil, corn or wheat. Imagine what a citizenship share would sell for in times of strife.

Posted by Horace at February 5, 2008 09:36 PM | direct link

And what have the founding fathers got to do with anything? They're long since dead and gone, and the times have are also long since gone. As has been said, "It is time to think anew and act anew." The same applies to the Constitution. The only immutaable section is the Preamble, the rest, simply the details of implementation.

"I know nothing but my country, my whole country and nothing but my country". As far as I'm concernerd, the rest of the world .....

Posted by neilehat at February 6, 2008 05:02 AM | direct link

The overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants clean toilets, wash dishes, mown lawns etc. Not exactly the wealthiest bunch. How much cash do they have to pay for a green card? Maybe they should also set up a subprime market for green card loans, just like mortgages and credit cards.

Posted by Bob K at February 6, 2008 07:16 AM | direct link

The green card for investment policy is ironic, since the US government exerts political pressure on small countries to not sell citizenships or residence permits under similar investment programs.
"You can't do it but we can."

Posted by Bob K at February 6, 2008 07:49 AM | direct link

This is an idea well worth considering.

It also has implications for the debate over amnesty of illegal immigrants.

If a green card has an economic value of about $100,000, it makes little sense to give illegal immigrants a renewable Z visa entitling them to remain in the country for a nominal fee of $2000 (as the Ted Kennedy-George Bush "comprehensive immigration reform" proposal did), and then claim that doing so is not an amnesty.

Charging a more substantial, market-based fee for legalization would also give the federal government the resources to help out communities whose public schools and hospitals are being overburdened by illegal immigrants who do not pay enough taxes under current law to cover those services.

Posted by Hans Bader at February 6, 2008 10:01 AM | direct link

I only scanned this, but it's basically a useless idea when the only real way to solve the problem is simply to enforce the law. We're going to do that anyway under whatever scheme is proposed, we might as well do it now. That way, many illegal aliens would go home and many fewer would come here.

And, all the amnesty proposals required fees, and if additional fees were required the left would complain about indentured servitude, etc. and would work to reduce the fees.

Stop coming up with Rube Goldberg schemes, and encourage political leaders to enforce the laws. You can do that by having an effect on their careers by asking them questions designed to make them look bad and then promoting their responses.

Posted by TLB at February 6, 2008 02:49 PM | direct link

HUMAN!!!! Geesh! Becker may have good intent, but some of these responses are just slavery and self-indenture wrapped in "market" jargon. Have corporations, and plantation owners "front the money? Oh........ then what? Buy out their contract if they want to quit???

Now just WHY would corporations and "businessmen" want to pay to import labor? Simple isn't it? To GET labor at substandard non-living wages.


What North America is experiencing today is reaping the harvest of couple of centuries of, let's say, "non-cooperation" with Mexico and with our border representing the widest wage disparity on the face of the earth, there are no simple solutions to the immigration "problem" and especially not as long as the business community embraces it as a cheap source of labor.

One market based improvement? Raise the min wage to at least $10 - $12, which is hardly revolutionary considering studies show it takes $18 to afford a very basic standard of living. There would then be far less incentive to hire new immigrants and we should hammer those businesses that try to cheat the min wage.

For the rest, there is NO viable solution as long as there is the enormous surplus of labor starving, in part due to our own (and China's) policies right next door. Mexico has $100 million population "sharing" one trillion of GDP while the 300 million in the US has $14 trillion GDP.

Also, half of Mexico's population was born after the mid-70's. Any policy wonk would have to ask themselves, what policy is going to work to keep energetic young men and women down there to starve and watch the same for their large extended families? Answer: None that the US would adopt.

Provincial US citizens should look to Europe and see how Spain and Portugal have been integrated into the EC and decide whether they want to attempt to wall out poverty or seek mutually beneficial policies to improve North America's productivity and diminish the wage gap between the two countries.

Posted by Jack at February 6, 2008 07:57 PM | direct link

Jack, You hit the nail on the head, "half of Mexico's population was born after the mid 70's". Wasn't it Malthus who called this "surplus population". How come he didn;t forsee mass migration, forced and otherwise (ethnic cleansing)as the solutions of choice. Just remember, the Papacy has called the "pill" a "NO-NO". Remember, all of this is God's Will.

Posted by neilehat at February 7, 2008 04:41 AM | direct link

Jack
One strongly suspects from your collective comments that you have never opened an econ textbook.

Indentured servitude was a part of the founding of this country. I have seen estimates that in the 1600's perhaps 75% of immigrants were indentured servants. While the system had serious flaws by modern standards it served a purpose.

Mexico has problems that were created by Mexico. If they want to correct those mistakes they can, they don't need the United States to act as big brother fixing their problems.

Selling citizenship to immigrants is a good idea. Letting employers front the money is also a good idea.

Why would an employer front the money? Because they have a hard time finding workers who will or can take the jobs. But for the employer, the cost of an immigrant employer has gone up under this new system.

Depending on the elasticity of demand for these various workers, the cost will be shared by the employer and employee. The cost of immigrant labor will increase as the immigrants will have legal status and have greater access to a fuller range of jobs

You can think of it as a tax on the employers of new immigrants. As the cost of immigrant labor increases, the more attractive domestic labor becomes.

Or you can think of it as an apprentice program, where immigrants come and work with employers to increase their job skills.

Wage rates are a function of the marginal productivity of labor and the cost of capital. Arbitrary minimum wage laws do little to help unskilled workers advance.

The billions in revenue that this system could generate could fund social security, community health clinics, education programs etc.

Compared to the current system it is a big improvement.


Posted by DanC at February 7, 2008 10:49 AM | direct link

Sounds like an interesting idea. Although the only reason such measures are required is enrollment difficulties in the US's substabtial welfare programs. The next question is: how do we set the price?

Posted by Simpsonian at February 7, 2008 03:07 PM | direct link

DanC: Hmmmmm, from your collective comments one would assume that had you opened an econ text the material would have been overshadowed by your ideological "beliefs" and biases. Let's take a look:

Jack
One strongly suspects from your collective comments that you have never opened an econ textbook.

Indentured servitude was a part of the founding of this country. I have seen estimates that in the 1600's perhaps 75% of immigrants were indentured servants. While the system had serious flaws by modern standards it served a purpose.

......... Well possibly...... however at that time the problem was that of luring immigrants and overcoming the costs of crossing the Atlantic and NOT overcoming an artificially imposed, theoretical, barrier to immigration.

Mexico has problems that were created by Mexico.

......... Indeed they do. And don't look too closely but we are creating similar problems of our own as our wage-wealth gap becomes virtually the same as that of Mexico. Naturally in their much poorer, all for the top, economy that leaves nothing for those near the bottom but to run....... somewhere. Guess where?


If they want to correct those mistakes they can,

.......... Well going from what's taken place here since 1980, even in the "premier" democracy of the world, it's not easy to fix "mistakes" that are greatly appreciated by those in or close to the seats of power. Do you have some practical advice for Mexican peasantry being shoved off their farms by NAFTA policies that are cramming heavily subsidized US commodities down their throats?

........Or? Given, as today's news finally reported that gas made from ethanol is in toto more polluting and energy wasting than just using gas from oil, why is it that Mexico's sugar industry is in a shambles due to US subsidies of our own small sugar industry? Wouldn't it make FAR more sense to cooperate with Mexico and employ them to make eth out of their inexpensive sugar and low wages since sugar is eight times more efficient than corn for making eth. Is it pleasant to shoot our own toe while standing on the throats of our neighbors?

they don't need the United States to act as big brother fixing their problems.

.......... Hmmm, let's see, who NEEDS what in this equation?? Ipso facto with 15 million "illegals" making up ten percent or so of our work force......... just perhaps WE need their surplus labor as much as they need a few of our dollars. Currently despite the hardships in Mexico, and somewhat amazing to me, it's less than 1% of their population that comes here each year.

.......... so leaving out for now, the "win lose" approach so favored by some who'd build "walls" to keep "them" "down there" wallowing in abject poverty are there perhaps some win-win-win approaches? The sugar to ethanol one is ideal as Brazil runs its whole fleet on sugar-eth, something that couldn't be done in Chicago using our whole corn crop.

........ In short, for those who've read some pre-devil take the hindmost econ, how could the world's greatest consumer market of $14 trillion cooperate to mop up some of the massive unemployment of it's one trillion dollar neighbor?

Selling citizenship to immigrants is a good idea.

........... sorry. I'm old school and not a fan of being the nation that sells citizenships and tortures "non-combatants". Subjective? sure.


Letting employers front the money is also a good idea.

.............. Why? If the Feds are getting the money (to expand a bureaucracy?) why not let them take it in installments? The IRS is pretty good on debt collection.

"Why would an employer front the money? Because they have a hard time finding workers who will or can take the jobs."

....... finishing your sentence..... "at below US wage levels..." Many WILL recall we built home and bricked, roofed, framed and landscaped them BEFORE this was low paid "immigrant" work.


But for the employer, the cost of an immigrant employer has gone up under this new system.

...........Oh? so are "we" designing our economy around illegal immigrants indenturing themselved to corporations to pay a bribe to the Feds to look the other way????? Better: SET a rational level of legal immigration and FIX the illegal situation by enforcing the laws against companies hiring illegals. Or is that just too honest for these times?

Depending on the elasticity of demand for these various workers, the cost will be shared by the employer and employee. The cost of immigrant labor will increase as the immigrants will have legal status and have greater access to a fuller range of jobs

............. Elasticity eh? Well along about page 157 of most Intros to econ you'll note a page or two about generic labor NOT having economic power to influence wages paid by better organized employers. It's pretty good reading and usually leads to an understanding as to why every developed nation has a min wage law and farm price supports. Or, a simpler explanation can be heard as low wage folk ask "What are "they" paying" while those who do have a franchise are heard to say "Well we sat down and hammered out a compensation package, the lawyers are touching up my contract...."

You can think of it as a tax on the employers of new immigrants. As the cost of immigrant labor increases, the more attractive domestic labor becomes.

......... I'd agree with the last sentence, however, the big picture is that of nearly infinite supply of low wage labor the world over and as big as the US consumer society is, we can NOT absorb it all.

Or you can think of it as an apprentice program, where immigrants come and work with employers to increase their job skills.

........... Well, I'll think about that while watching new immigrants humping sheetrock year after year.

Wage rates are a function of the marginal productivity of labor and the cost of capital.

..... so the early chapters claim and curiously congruent with JFK's hopes that a "rising tide would lift all the boats". Sadly despite a doubling or more of productivity since 1980 and vast amounts of capital generation those of median incomes and lower have had NO increases. Why? Interestingly the tides for CEO's rose some 500% in the same time. Why?


Arbitrary minimum wage laws do little to help unskilled workers advance.

........... Umm I always want to ask one of you guys what you think should be done about the increasing gap between min and even the more popular $10 wages and the $18 that it takes to maintain life in most of the US? Do you favor MORE transfer programs that added over a billion dollars to Walmart's bottom line last year???

Also........ if you "feel" that an employer using a human with a basic cost of $18 for $7-$10 and passing the rest on to taxpayers, do you also "feel" that we should subsidize his rent and vehicle costs too?

The billions in revenue that this system could generate could fund social security, community health clinics, education programs etc.

........... gimme a break!! The $3,000 being bandied about times the fantasy of getting it from 10 million largely impoverished immigrants is $30 billion, a figure that strikes me as less than the cost of running the 'crat farm itself.

Compared to the current system it is a big improvement.

......... we don't have a system, we've chaos and levying fines or taxes on those currently living in the shadows is hardly likely to create order or wealth to anyone.

Posted by Jack at February 7, 2008 06:42 PM | direct link

This is what asian governments did in cooperation with UNHCR when facing with hundreds of thousands of refugees arriving from Vietnam. First they placed everyone in concentration camps. The UNHCR then asked governments from around the world to take in these vietnamese refugees. This same approach can be applied successfully in dealing with illegal immigrants from the US despite the fact that there are millions, not thousands, of illegal immigrants.

Posted by Enthalpic at February 7, 2008 10:23 PM | direct link

Jack
Thank you for the eloquent confirmation of my suspicions.

Posted by DanC at February 8, 2008 10:16 AM | direct link

Don't we already have such a program with the E-1, E-2 and EB-5 Visa programs?

For less than "flush" immigrants, this could give rise to the re-emergence of that 18th century practice of indentured servitude with the immigrant working off the debt (and is probably informally occurring already in the illegal human trafficing trade).

Posted by DPB at February 8, 2008 12:57 PM | direct link

Thanks, Dan............. McCain?

Posted by Jack at February 8, 2008 04:48 PM | direct link

at least admit your analogy with indentured servitude is bizarrely inappropriate... my thoughts were exactly Jack's when I first read your point thereon. other than that, I'll leave each to interpret as he/she will.

Posted by matthew at February 9, 2008 07:00 PM | direct link

Professor Becker, your proposal is absurd. Suppose we auctioned 300,000 immigration slots a year. I expect we could get $250,000 per slot, for a $75 billion a year profit. Payable in advance from someone who will be employable here at a decent wage.
Collecting $2,000 per illegal immigrant which I think was McCain's proposal is nuts. "Educating" one illegal immigrant child costs LA Unified Schools $11,000 per year at least. Add in medical care, feeding criminals they bring etc., this is a loser. Who is Mexico, unlike India exporting to the US? 28% of the high tech companies in the Silicon Valley are owned by NRIs, non-resident Indians. Think about that.
Further, the $2,000 will be paid over time. Half of these amounts will never be collected. Or else as another poster suggested some sugar daddy will pay it. We get the $2,000 and someone who makes $7 per hour as an unskilled laborer who has five kids, collects food stamps, etc. This is a good idea? Professor, do a little DCF analysis, farm it out to someone in Chicago's GSB. This idea is: NUTS!

Posted by George Weinbaum at February 10, 2008 03:16 AM | direct link

To those you think for the Founding Fathers would react in horror to selling access to citizenship, the historical record is the opposite.

I don't like Prof Becker's government loan program for new immigrants. I prefer that employers foot the bill under an apprentice program. If that shares some traits with indentured servitude from an earlier period, that is fine with me.

The reality is the charities and private support groups would quickly spring up to help fund greater immigration. Think of how the history of Europe would have changed if the United States had allowed Jews to buy entry and flee Nazi Germany.

Or how much would elites in southern California pay to make their domestic staffs legal workers?

Prof Becker is asking how do we deal with the immigrants in the country. They are already in the country using schools etc. How do we humanely confront the issue of millions of immigrants in limbo.


Posted by DanC at February 10, 2008 10:13 AM | direct link

George......... I agree with most of your post and think we've too much immigration and should slow the pace. But, for educating the kids of immigrants the cost is about the same as educating our own kids, and of course we didn't have to invest in the education of the immigrant.

I'd imagine that India is having discussions about "brain-drain" as did the UK a while back, as they bear the costs of educating, while another nation reaps the return.

For those buying the selling of citizenships, if the goal that of trying to make another buck on it? (The productivity gained at depressed wage levels is the first buck gained........ or the whole deal would collapse.) or to slow the pace of immigration?

Having decided that; do you want to base it on high bid? or as some have suggested a high, flat rate that would be impossible for low wage "braceros" to pay, but would be easy for those such as Russia's post-collapse millionaires, Saudi or other oil-royales, and assorted scammers the world over?

Posted by Jack at February 10, 2008 05:50 PM | direct link

To Jack
What makes you think that changing the status of millions of immigrants to legal, after a payment or tax, will depress wages. How does that work?

More severe penalties for employers of illegal immigrants, would encourage compliance and dampen the pull of immigrants.

If the world's millionaires want to come to the United States and pay our taxes, I will welcome them with flowers. I would have a system where the employers could bid and set prices.

Jack, please give more thoughts to your posts.

Posted by DanC at February 10, 2008 09:33 PM | direct link

My question is what would happen if an immigrant defaulted on his or her loan? Would the government rush to the person's dwelling and deport them? If the loan is given by an employer, and the immigrant quits or runs off, what happens then?

I think you might need security for the loans, and I think this creates a problem for the lowest earners, unless the goal is to encourage low-wage earners with no savings to return home, or not to come in the first place.

In the sense that the plan would make it far easier for talented, educated people to come to the United States, I think it's a good idea.

Posted by Mowry at February 11, 2008 11:40 AM | direct link

I think there are better proxies for desirability than the ability to pay for a greencard. Why not award greencards based on some combination of academic credentials and English speaking ability? That at least would demonstrate the ability to integrate.

My other issue with the purchase of greencards, is that is would be a boon to organized crime. Already, many immigrants arrive in the States indebted to smugglers. Wouldn't this trend just increase with a greater emphasis on paying to immigrate?

Posted by Chris at February 11, 2008 09:06 PM | direct link

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