January 18, 2009
Infrastructure in a Stimulus Package-Becker
Last week we blogged on how much stimulus to GDP and employment might be expected from a version of the Obama fiscal stimulus plan. I concluded that the amount of stimulus from the spending package would be far less than estimated in a study by the incoming Chairperson of the Council of Economic Advisers ("The Job Impact of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan", by Christina Romer and Jared Bernstein, January 9, 2009). The activities stimulated by the package to a large extent would draw labor and capital away from other productive activities. In addition, the government programs were unlikely to be as well planned as the displaced private uses of these resources.
The stimulus package's plans for spending on "infrastructure" clearly illustrate both concerns. I put this word in quotation marks because of the many definitions of what is included in the concept of infrastructure. Promoters of various stimulus packages- such as the just released House Committee on Appropriations $825 billion stimulus plan- include in infrastructure not only the traditional categories of roads, highways, harbors, and airports. They also include spending on broadband, school buildings, computers for school children, modern technologies, research and development, converter boxes for the transition to digital TV, phone service to rural areas, sewage treatment plants, computerized medical records and other health expenditures, and many other activities as well.
Some of this infrastructure spending may be very worthwhile-I return to this issue a bit later- but however merited, it is difficult to believe that they would provide much of a stimulus to the economy. Expansion of the health sector, for example, will add jobs to this sector, but it will do this mainly by drawing people into the health care sector who are presently employed in jobs outside this sector. This is because unemployment rates among health care workers are quite low, and most of the unemployed who had worked in construction, finance, or manufacturing are unlikely to qualify as health care workers without considerable additional training. This same conclusion applies to spending on expanding broadband, to make the energy used greener, to encourage new technologies and more research, and to improve teaching.
An analysis by Forbes publications of where most jobs will be created singles out engineering, accounting, nursing, and information technology, along with construction managers, computer-aided drafting specialists, and project managers. Unemployment rates among most of these specialists are not high. The rebuilding of "crumbling roads, bridges, and schools" highlighted by in various speeches by President Obama is likely to make greater use of unemployed workers in the construction sector. However, such spending will be a small fraction of the total stimulus package, and it is not easy for workers who helped build residential housing to shift to building highways.
A second crucial issue relates not to the amount of new output and employment created by the stimulus, but to the efficiency of the government spending. Efficiency is not likely to be high partly because of the fundamental conflict between the goal of stimulating employment and output in order to reduce the severity of the recession, and the goal of concentrating infrastructure spending on projects that add a lot of value to the economy. Stimulating the economy when employment is falling requires rapid spending of this huge stimulus package, but it is impossible for either the private or public sectors to spend effectively a large amount in a short time period since good spending takes a lot of planning time.
Putting new infrastructure spending in depressed areas like Detroit might have a big stimulating effect since infrastructure building projects in these areas can utilize some of the considerable unemployed resources there. However, many of these areas are also declining because they have been producing goods and services that are not in great demand, and will not be in demand in the future. Therefore, the overall value added by improving their roads and other infrastructure is likely to be a lot less than if the new infrastructure were located in growing areas that might have relatively little unemployment, but do have great demand for more roads, schools, and other types of long-term infrastructure.
Of course, at some point new taxes in some form have to be collected to pay for infrastructure and other stimulus spending. The sizable adverse effects on incentives of these taxes also have to be weighted against any value produced by the infrastructure (and other) stimulus spending.
The likelihood that such a rapid and large public spending program will be of low efficiency is compounded by political realities. Groups that have lots of political clout with Congress will get a disproportionate amount of the spending with only limited regard for the merits of the spending they advocate compared to alternative ways to spend the stimulus. The politically influential will also redefine various projects so that they can fall under the "infrastructure" rubric. A report called Ready to Go by the U.S. Conference of Mayors lists $73 billion worth of projects that they claim could be begun quickly. These projects include senior citizen centers, recreation facilities, and much other expenditure that are really private consumption items, many of dubious value, that the mayors call infrastructure spending.
Recessions would be a good time to increase infrastructure spending only if these projects can mainly utilize unemployed resources. This does not seem to be the case in most of the so-called infrastructure spending proposed under various stimulus plans.
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it seems like the crowding-out concern may be used selectively. I do not remember it being applied in depth when Medicare was expanded to cover prescription drugs, but perhaps I simply missed the discussion.
Were there lots of extra prescription drugs sitting around at the time the government decided spend on drugs? What rate per pill are taxpayers funding? (generic or brand). And doesn't turning the government into a buyer of drugs create a conflict of interest when the government has to determine patent or intellectual property situations in the pharma industry?
Posted by nathan at January 18, 2009 9:31 PM | direct link
Nathan you picked a zinger! Are you aware that the prescription drug deal mandates paying Big Pharma the retail price? While the VA which is at least "allowed" to price shop within our borders pays but 40% of what Medicare D pays?
Oh! I just found out that Medicare "Advantage" which sort of combines a 65 year old's regular insurance with Medicare is subsidized by a whopping $900 per month!
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/325979_medicare02.html
..... but I stray.
Posted by Jack at January 19, 2009 12:40 AM | direct link
Очень понравилось, даже не ожидала.
Posted by Enzymn at January 19, 2009 3:39 AM | direct link
I think that the any stimulus has to bring about a trade that probably would not happen outside of a crisis.
Here is my suggestion.
The Chinese government is expected to buy US Treasury Bills, to prop up their current holdings.
The Chinese cannot export goods to the US because nobody wants to buy crap anymore, and the Chinese in response produce even cheaper crap.
The Chinese don't have a regulatory system at their local levels worth crap and to institute such a system would cost a great deal of money, possibly something that could only be bought with US treasury bills.
Anybody see a deal here?
Posted by michael webster at January 19, 2009 8:32 AM | direct link
I agree that the government should be careful to waste as little as they can, which, historically speaking seems unlikely. I think though that you underestimate how much of the economy is dictated by the government at the moment. In a choice between government spending and well regulated (so not health care, the military, banks, the stock market, schools or pretty much anything) private sector growth the private sector growth is likely to be more efficient, sustainable, and make people rich without them skimming off the government dime(agriculture atm). Fortunately in my opinion we aren't in such a position, both our private and our public sector are grossly mismanaged.
I think our country doesn't have to worry so much about where it's pulling the workers from, how about the unemployment rolls, and ya alot of them are probably going to need extensive retraining, are you suggesting that the government should subsidize their unmarketable skills to spare them the time and hassle of learning to do something useful?
This isn't a downturn brought about by a short term liquidity crisis, the liquidity crisis is a symptom, and the root causes need to be addressed in a long term sustainable fashion. Since the government also wants to help lower unemployment by tightening the labor market spending on broadband, school buildings, computers for school children, modern technologies, research and development, converter boxes for the transition to digital TV, phone service to rural areas, sewage treatment plants and computerized medical records seems just what the doctor ordered (other than the converter boxes).
This is going to be ugly in the short haul and the long haul also. I have no idea what is going to end up happening to the deficit either, the government appears to be having no trouble borrowing cash at low interest rates, but how long can that last? How would the cost of the higher taxes to repay the debt compare with the nightmare of a debt holiday? Can you inflate it away? Ugly weirdness incoming, that's for sure.
On the bright side Obama utilized the web brilliantly in his campaign, there is some hope I think that he can use the internet to greatly increase government accountability, which is the main benefit the private sector has traditionally held as I see it.
Posted by blake at January 19, 2009 12:57 PM | direct link
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Posted by Ulceliidiose at January 19, 2009 7:57 PM | direct link
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Posted by Kneexothet at January 19, 2009 11:37 PM | direct link
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Posted by Kneexothet at January 19, 2009 11:37 PM | direct link
Да уж. В этом блоге хоть комментаторы нормальные.. А то пишут обычно в комментарии ерунду всякую.
Posted by Infasymn at January 20, 2009 9:05 AM | direct link
On stimulus for Detroit, you write "Putting new infrastructure spending in depressed areas like Detroit might have a big stimulating effect since infrastructure building projects in these areas can utilize some of the considerable unemployed resources there. However, many of these areas are also declining because they have been producing goods and services that are not in great demand, and will not be in demand in the future."
As a longtime resident of the Detroit area, I find this appalling on a moral level: we don't deserve help unless we can prove we're valuable? On an economic level, it's a classic Catch-22. Detroit does not deserve economic stimulus unless it produces things people want. On the other hand, Detroit is unlikely to attract newer, more innovative businesses unless it can address its crumbling infrastructure, high crime, failing schools, and urban blight. So where does that leave us?
Posted by Andrew at January 20, 2009 9:38 AM | direct link
Nice to see so good informations. Very good blog.
Posted by twojeanonse at January 20, 2009 12:38 PM | direct link
Я в принципе, мало, что смыслю в этм посте, но постараюсь все таки понять.
Posted by upholo at January 20, 2009 12:50 PM | direct link
Я в принципе, мало, что смыслю в этм посте, но постараюсь все таки понять.
Posted by upholo at January 20, 2009 12:51 PM | direct link
Я в принципе, мало, что смыслю в этм посте, но постараюсь все таки понять.
Posted by upholo at January 20, 2009 12:51 PM | direct link
Я в принципе, мало, что смыслю в этм посте, но постараюсь все таки понять.
Posted by upholo at January 20, 2009 12:52 PM | direct link
Прелестно)
Posted by Flagelopweafe at January 20, 2009 1:02 PM | direct link
Опубликовал на своем блоге вашу статью, и напечатол там конечно-же обратную ссылку на вас. Но вот зашел посмотреть поевился ли трекбек, а его нет…
Posted by beauctib at January 20, 2009 4:39 PM | direct link
Andrew: I know very little about Detroit other than its history etc, and have been wondering about its potential second life. With its geography it's easy to see why it was a power in the heavy steel and auto era, and today with the same plus freeways converging etc it would seem to have some natural advantages.
But in mfg the plains and southern states are tough competitors, often "buying" factory placement with land and tax breaks.
There's a good point in saying "no sense investing in declining areas" say a mining town that's "done" but I'd think there is still so much in Detroit that it's more of a turnaround proposition and up to local politics and the city fathers to have a regeneration plan that would justify its getting federal assistance. There will surely be competition for what fed funds there are, and I take Obama at his word of trying to make every buck count.
Is there leadership there with a plan for the New Detroit?
Posted by Jack at January 20, 2009 5:55 PM | direct link
I don't see how infrastructure spending can be used to stimulate the economy during all but the most protracted recessions. It will take months to get the bill passed, still more months to plan these projects, more months to acquire land, choose contractors, order material and supplies, and when all of that is done, then they can hire the workers. The likelihood that we will still be in a recession by that time seems very remote. More likely, the project will draw off workers from overheated sectors of the economy, stoking inflation. And when the projects are done, the workers will be laid off, just in time for the next recession.
Posted by Dave at January 20, 2009 6:51 PM | direct link
I don't see how infrastructure spending can be used to stimulate the economy during all but the most protracted recessions. It will take months to get the bill passed, still more months to plan these projects, more months to acquire land, choose contractors, order material and supplies, and when all of that is done, then they can hire the workers. The likelihood that we will still be in a recession by that time seems very remote. More likely, the project will draw off workers from overheated sectors of the economy, stoking inflation. And when the projects are done, the workers will be laid off, just in time for the next recession.
Posted by Dave at January 20, 2009 6:52 PM | direct link
C'mon guys, Grosse Point is doing just fine. Don't Diss Detroit simply because most of it's Employers bailed out years ago and left the City holding the bag. Anyone with half a brain jumped ship as well and went elsewhere.
What are you're left with? Not much! Perhaps, we need not so much of an Urban Renewal Project, but more of an Urban Removal Project. Then we can start with a clean slate. Most major Cities across America are in the same fix. The infrastructure is so old, rotten, and toxic, lead and asbestos, not too mention, "brownfield" problems; it'll be cheaper and easier, to level, clean, and build anew.
Posted by neilehat at January 20, 2009 7:12 PM | direct link
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Posted by alkatt at January 20, 2009 8:29 PM | direct link
up until the point of serious deflation private lending institutions will view any deficit spending as predatory. should deficit spending under normal circumstances increase inflation the value of private lending institution assets shall decline. confronted with such a prospect they shall employ their resources to ensure congress does not pass any bills that authorize deficit spending of large magnatude.
the problem is compounded as of late as the cost to organizing for private financial institutions has declined as the industry has become more concentrated. this is a uniquely american problem as european countries chose to buy into private institutions rather than to bail them out, thus increasing the autonomy of the state.
in my opinion, the quandry on these boards assumes a level of state autonomy for the United States that is in conflict with reality; in general, very complex economic matters are handled by assuming away political implications.It would be most awesome if the Hoover institution would draw from its sizable repository of talent to add a political scientist to the becker posner blog.
Posted by Pies at January 20, 2009 9:14 PM | direct link
Dave: Almost everyone around today has is used to recessions being some brief nuisance like a speed bump in a parking lot; but my bet is this one is three or more years long, and even then, I'm concerned that we've some structural unemployment problem that will take a long time, if ever, to solve. But! I hope I'm wrong! if so am willing to put up with a dab of inflation while getting infrastructure et al up to par.
Posted by Jack at January 20, 2009 10:25 PM | direct link
I wish I could be more optimistic about Obama's chances of turning the American economy around.
Posted by Ref at January 20, 2009 11:32 PM | direct link
вы шутите...21 век на дворе, неужели нет ничего достойного внимания, как энциклопедия.Милые мои, вот нет снега в
гордах, это тоже тема и история, пересмотрите темы.Я почту просматриваю, мне шлют не пойми что, не знаю кто, столько мусора, может оно и нужно, но не в дневнике.Я так понимаю, дневник это часть твоей души.Нам дается право выбирать - пользуйтесь. А информация бесполезной не бывает
Posted by beauctib at January 21, 2009 12:09 AM | direct link
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Posted by frigeofs at January 21, 2009 3:47 AM | direct link
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Posted by frigeofs at January 21, 2009 3:48 AM | direct link
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Posted by frigeofs at January 21, 2009 3:49 AM | direct link
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Posted by frigeofs at January 21, 2009 3:50 AM | direct link
Can someone please explain to me how the government which is broke and cannot spend anything without printing the money and which has a debt of 12 trillion dollars presently can possibly solve the economic malaise. Not to mention that economic theory, regardless of its proximity to truth, is completely distorted by political pettiness and manipulation. By the way, why were not the 2 million at the inauguration at work? Maybe they thought that there would be a handout.
As to health care saving, there won't be any. The IT savings touted were based on a Rand study in 2005 which has become a fad concept pushed by politicians, vendors and the media. The Rand study was completely refuted by a Congressional Budget Office study in May 2008 and yet the politicians are still hawking the "savings". Why? The big vendors are charging physicians $50,000.00 per physician to install an office EHR system. Physicians won't spend that kind of money on a technology requiring space, personnel and constant maintenence. Think abaout it; Do you want your physician looking at a monitor and typing at a keyboard while you are trying to tell him/her about your chest pain. The UK National Health Service at the behest of Tony Blair tried to go electronic health record in 2004 and lost billions in that failure. It will now cost them three to four times as much for the redo if they had the money which they don't. There are better goals for the new people in Washington such as doing something about the 80 billion spent by Medicare each year in the last year of life. How about a mandatory advance directive at the time of social security registration. Everyone knows that there are vegetative patients kept alive in nursing homes so that families can keep getting the social security checks. Another big problem on the horizon is the looming shortage of good physicians and nurses.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2005-03-02-doctor-shortage_x.htm
Of course the politicians won't be honest enough to tell the country up front that any national health system will require big time rationing which they know the public will not accept up front.
Needless to say, I am not optimistic and might have to adopt the old economic theory of gold under the mattress like some of my friends in Europe are doing.
Oh. I almost forgot to ask, where do you think I should put my mattress with the gold in it to best deal with the 20% inflation coming down the road when the wheelbarrows are full of worthless dollars.
Posted by Jim at January 21, 2009 7:27 AM | direct link
The current government medical spending is unsustainable (and an open invitation for fraud), yet there seems to no effort to set limits (income and asset threshholds) for seniors on Medicare who can easily afford to pay their own way. Further, why should our Congressional millionaires receive top benefits paid for by a workforce, much of which are told that their small company offers no health plan? Medicaid is being drained by many young people (unemployed by choice feigning disabilities), who, frankly need a kick in the butt. Makes no sense to me.
Posted by B Taxey at January 21, 2009 9:09 AM | direct link
I'd like to comment on several of your observations regarding the relative impact of a public infrastructure stimulus package compared to a like amount of incentives for the private sector.
First, what we're observing in the private sector by way of the the financial system bailout program is that the receipt of government capital is not creating additional economic activity on the part of these institutions. Even if one takes into account labor market capacity issues in the occupations you've identified as being benefitted by the proposed government stimulus programs, at least this represents new and additional economic activity which will have a multiplier effect in the economy.
Secondly, you're also making an assumption that the resulting incremental additional deficits on the part of the federal government will not be offset by improved economic conditions which will increase tax revenues over what they would otherwise have been in the absence of this stimulus-driven activity. This is not the key driver of future deficits. Rather, the government needs to come up with a better approach to get entitlement/transfer program spending growth under control.
Finally, spending targeted at the specific industry I work in, health care, will produce near term tangible benefits if properly allocated. There is considerable inefficiency here due to information issues which could be improved upon by facilitating an interoperable health care/medical record infrastructure. Coupling this type of investment with incentives to increase the supply of primary and preventive care resources could provide a nice boost in worker productivity while helping to moderate future health care cost increases.
Posted by Bill (Booth MBA'83) at January 21, 2009 9:11 AM | direct link
Уважаемый администратор блога, а вы откуда родом будете?
Posted by Sitssync at January 21, 2009 1:53 PM | direct link
Jim; I'll try a few of these, but it sounds as though you're having a very bad day.
Can someone please explain to me how the government which is broke and cannot spend anything without printing the money and which has a debt of 12 trillion dollars presently can possibly solve the economic malaise.
JJJJJJJJJJJJ well that's a complex one, but I'd just comment that the US government is one of the few entities that can borrow very long term at pretty low rates of interest. That strikes me as being viable means of paying for long neglected infrastructure repairs and upgrades as well as providing some of the incentives to conserve energy we now waste as well as helping us contain more of our dollars HERE by spurring more energy alternatives. Forget the past; we've been caught, again, flat footed and now is a good time to make the transition that various, earlier tax proposals, not passed, would have spurred over the intervening decades.
""Not to mention that economic theory, regardless of its proximity to truth, is completely distorted by political pettiness and manipulation. By the way, why were not the 2 million at the inauguration at work? Maybe they thought that there would be a handout."
JJJJ Whew! Let's see 600 private jets flew in, while Congress gave out 150,000 tickets that one suspects did not go to the unemployed, many came from nearby and while a lot of job benefits have disappeared, I think many still get a few vacation days per year. I don't have much concern about six tenths of one percent of our population showing up for this historic event; aren't there about the same number sitting in sports stadiums fairly often?
""As to health care saving, there won't be any. The IT savings touted were based on a Rand study in 2005 which has become a fad concept pushed by politicians, vendors and the media. The Rand study was completely refuted by a Congressional Budget Office study in May 2008 and yet the politicians are still hawking the "savings". Why?""
JJJJJJJJJJ Not sure. I've always trusted CBO more than OMB which appears more politically driven but would insurance and medical lobbyists have something to do with the variance?
"" The big vendors are charging physicians $50,000.00 per physician to install an office EHR system. Physicians won't spend that kind of money on a technology requiring space, personnel and constant maintenence.""
JJJJJJJJ My thought is that the horse and buggy days of so many individual cottage Doc shops is coming to an end. Small banks figured out that they could not compete with new software that the bigs had and have been merging for a long time. (I hope these efficiencies of scale are not confused with those "going rogue" and losing themselves along the way.)
"" Think abaout it; Do you want your physician looking at a monitor and typing at a keyboard while you are trying to tell him/her about your chest pain.""
JJJJJJJJJ Well, I'm a VA patient, at times in AK and at others in OK. So my experience is that of the physician in either place looking at my nearly complete record and asking ME about health issues. He/she then TYPES legible notes into MY record. Then he reviews prescriptions taken, updates them w/ generating any cryptic notes on bits of paper which then go to the efficient fulfillment center where they're typically mailed to my home. BTW they price shop too, paying just 40% of what the new Medicare D pays for the same thing.
""The UK National Health Service at the behest of Tony Blair tried to go electronic health record in 2004 and lost billions in that failure. It will now cost them three to four times as much for the redo if they had the money which they don't.""
JJJJJJJJJ Hmmmmmm perhaps the VA can pick up a few bucks selling copies of their system? It really does work, and it's kind of reassuring that most of my med record is available in the states and abroad by typing in first letter of last name and last four SS digits.
""There are better goals for the new people in Washington such as doing something about the 80 billion spent by Medicare each year in the last year of life. How about a mandatory advance directive at the time of social security registration. Everyone knows that there are vegetative patients kept alive in nursing homes so that families can keep getting the social security checks.""
JJJJJJJJJ Whew! Truth is the SS of Medicaid patients in nursing homes goes into the pot with the rest. No advantage to family members. Kinda tough to know just when to pull the plug on your Dad or Mom.
Another big problem on the horizon is the looming shortage of good physicians and nurses.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2005-03-02-doctor-shortage_x.htm
Of course the politicians won't be honest enough to tell the country up front that any national health system will require big time rationing which they know the public will not accept up front.""
JJJJJJJJJJ Oh? Currently we spend/waste 18% of GDP that is rapidly rising while the civilized nations are spending 8-12% of typically smaller GDP for universal health care. As for "rationing" I have LONG wondered what $10,000,000 CEO's of "insurance" companies bring to the party, or what benefit there is in court or other wrangling over who is covered or who gets the bill. Yeah, I'd ration the hlll out of these wasteful overhead items.
""Needless to say, I am not optimistic and might have to adopt the old economic theory of gold under the mattress like some of my friends in Europe are doing.""
JJJJJJJJJJ I thought you were something of a pessimist. Yup.
""Oh. I almost forgot to ask, where do you think I should put my mattress with the gold in it to best deal with the 20% inflation coming down the road when the wheelbarrows are full of worthless dollars.""
JJJJJJJJJ Well, at first we've the deflation to get through, and surely in the area of housing, stock or other ownership of most of our companies your mattress dollar is likely to buy more next week than this, but remember banks are backed by FDIC and are paying a smidgeon of interest as well.
Inflationary times? Those of us "of a certain age" have lived much of our lives in them as the buck lost 90% of its value so at some point the traditional stores of productive RE, stocks, and a dab of gold or gold mines, and bonds that reflect the inflationary premium are the traditional hedges.
Cheers and best of luck! Sorry there aren't any guarantees and that we HAVE been so hollowed out in the recent past, but in messes of the past it seems that if we do the "bright" thing at each turn we'll muddle through somehow. Hope I've lessened your pessimism a bit, Jack
Posted by Jack at January 21, 2009 5:45 PM | direct link
Jack,
Hope you are right on all counts but I don't think so. Thanks for trying to cheer me up, though. Do you really think that the United States Government is going to cut the waste out of their health care budget? Good luck. And for those of us who have worked some in the VA system, no one holds it up as the model although I do have to give you that their EHR system is very, very good as is the military's. I would only point out that the rest of health care is not the military or the VA and might not respond well to a totalitarian approach.
Allow me to point out as well that most of the European healthcare systems are close to insolvency, there are VERY long waits for hospital care and in England there is no care for end stage renal disease(for example) if one is over 55 years. Talk about pulling the plug on mom and dad!!!
By the way, do you take anything to make yourself so happy or are you just an eternal optimist?
Posted by Jim at January 21, 2009 7:19 PM | direct link
Опутеть как интересно, во задвигаете. Класс!
Posted by Dayday at January 21, 2009 10:34 PM | direct link
Jim: Thanks! especially for being a good sport! Just a follow up to say I don't think the Medicare (fee schedule) model is the ideal for the US.
One thing about the VA model is that they're stuck with taking care of all eligible Vets, so I'd assume their mission statement is pretty simple; "take care of em and strive for efficiency and cost reduction". Naturally that leaves the possibility, even likelihood of underserving, that is perhaps balanced by "the board" being elected representatives.
So I'm drawn to a model that might combine universality with some elements of competition to restrain costs. Perhaps it's a bit like HMO's of today at which the consumer subscribes with their voucher. I'd hope they'd compete on service? much as airlines used to before dereg, and that the consumer would have something like a "bill of rights" that would provide an outside opinion etc to avoid the rumored underservice of today's HMO's.
I'd expect we'd see bigger healthcare facilities than is typical today so as to more efficiently utilize costly MRI and Electronic Records but with consumer choice of primary physician etc.
It's not easy to design what is best and probably especially tough with "pols" doing the designing! But I'm trying to get away from all the wrestling over a "procedure" cost schedule that can never be up to date or reward wholistic care over procedures.
But, sometimes I joke about what a car or computer would cost if done under our current fee for service medical model with a door specialist, followed by "a good transmission guy" and finally another who "does paint" each with their own billing and malpractice insurance problems.
Ha! but for now it looks like "they" are going to drive us all into the maw of "insurance" providers, but once we realize we're all in one big pool, and the costs are still running away, we will ask what $10 million insurance CEO's are providing, and for that matter what their whole paperwork nightmare provides. If they want to be in the medical field they've plenty of retained earnings could easily go into the healthcare provider side.
I dunno.......... it's a shot!
"By the way, do you take anything to make yourself so happy or are you just an eternal optimist?"
Well, much like Obama's speech and that of Clinton's I too would like to hope that "what's right with America outweighs what is wrong with America" and that we've enough wealth and momentum to prevail, though we do have quite a "turnaround" task ahead of us.
And........ speaking of matters renal, I'm happy that I'm well over 55 and still have one kidney left after a thrombosis shut one of them down, and politely picked an organ to shutdown that has a back up though it wasn't much fun at the time with the VA providing price-shopped coumadin and otherwise rather good health! If you're a practitioner, know that while we may be frustrated at the delivery system that we're extremely appreciative of the docs, nurses and all!
Posted by Jack at January 21, 2009 11:38 PM | direct link
Спасибо. Просто спасибо, за красивые мысли вслух. В цитатник.
Posted by MemSweem at January 22, 2009 5:30 AM | direct link
Jack,
The link below will take you to, in my opinion, a useful study of the current European systems in some detail such that one gets a pretty good idea of what might work in the USA. My original reading took about two hours but it is well worth the time to dispell misconceptions about what is already out there.
http://www.euro.who.int/document/OBS/hcs8countries.pdf
In addition, below is a link to a review of Daniel Callahan's approach to health care rationing. You can delve deeper into Callahan's work by visiting the website for The Hastings Center, a prominent bioethics think tank founded by Callahan.
http://www.richard-t-hull.com/publications/callahan_review_setting_limits.pdf
Cheers.
Posted by Jim at January 22, 2009 7:58 AM | direct link
По моему у Вас украли эту статью и поместили на другом сайте. Я её уже видела.
Posted by thargego at January 22, 2009 11:31 AM | direct link
Добавил в свои закладки. Теперь буду вас намного почаще читать!
Posted by UnsewesDrown at January 22, 2009 5:41 PM | direct link
Jim... Thanks! I'm interested enough to slog through those but it'll take a while! So far AUS seems to have the "advantage" that they dedicate about 8% of GDP so could solve some of their problems by dedicating a couple more percent as well as looking for more efficiencies.
Speaking of which, it seems that US industry "downsized" and got rid of many middle managers, I suspect with help from even that era's computerization etc. but it seems to me that other than our great productive areas of farming and mfg that we've a LOT of built in bloat and inefficiencies. Were we to honestly cut out a fair amount of fat GDP per capita would rise, wages SHOULD rise, and we'd have a much easier time paying for H/C, SS and caring for our elders.
Posted by Jack at January 22, 2009 6:53 PM | direct link
Отличный пост, прочитав несколько статей на эту тему понял, что всё таки не посмотрел с другой стороны, а пост как-то очень заинтересовал.
Posted by reoliIdionee at January 22, 2009 11:46 PM | direct link
Данные интересны, было бы еще у основной массы пользователей желание что-то делать, а не только бродить по интернету. Все пускается на самотек, народ отстраняется от того, что делает, или не делает ничего вовсе. "Жизнь невозможно повернуть назад. И время ни на миг не остановишь...", слова из песни Пугачовой, кстати.
Posted by Ranielle at January 23, 2009 12:54 AM | direct link
а вот вопросик можно? У вас время после поста указано. Это московское? Заранее спасибо!
Posted by Nurigooguids at January 23, 2009 11:32 AM | direct link
Проклатые русские сабочонки – шат ап олърэди!
Posted by Tsar Nikolau at January 23, 2009 2:45 PM | direct link
очень занимательно было почитать
Posted by alieks at January 23, 2009 5:54 PM | direct link
Private sector efficiency?
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-01-22/john-thains-87000-rug/
Thain’s top 16 outrages.
1) $2,700 for six wall sconces.
2) $5,000 for a mirror in his private dining room.
3) $11,000 for fabric for a "Roman Shade.”
4) $13,000 for a chandelier in the private dining room.
5) $15,000 for a sofa.
6) $16,000 for a "custom coffee table.”
7) $18,000 for a “George IV Desk.”
8) $25,000 for a "mahogany pedestal table.”
9) $28,000 for four pairs of curtains.
10) $35,000 for something called a "commode on legs.”
11) $37,000 for six chairs in his private dining room.
12) $68,000 for a "19th Century Credenza" in his office.
13) $87,000 for a pair of guest chairs.
14) $87,000 for an area rug in Thain's conference room and another area rug for $44,000.
15) $230,000 to his driver for one year’s work.
16) $800,000 to hire celebrity designer Michael Smith, who is currently redesigning the White House for the Obama family for just $100,000.
.......... and "due diligence?"
Just last week, Bank of America announced that Merrill has suffered an unexpected loss of $1.79 billion for the fourth quarter of 2008, nearly collapsing BofA's purchase. Bank of America CEO Ken Lewis said that without $138 billion in government assistance, including the infusion of $20 billion from the federal government he would have pulled out of the Merrill deal, which was approved by BofA shareholders in early December.
Thain has come under pressure in recent weeks after several top executives at Merrill, including brokerage chief Bob McCann and investment banking head Greg Fleming, abruptly resigned from the firm citing differences with Thain. People close to Lewis say his relationship with Thain was further strained by the recent massive loss. Lewis himself has faced withering criticism for rushing the buy Merrill for $28 billion after less than two days of due diligence.
Posted by Jack at January 23, 2009 8:25 PM | direct link
Очень интересно, но все в будущем хотелось бы еще побольше узнать об этом. Очень понравилась ваша статья!
Posted by Odonadimmeno at January 24, 2009 12:19 AM | direct link
Опубликовал на своем блоге вашу статью, и напечатол там конечно-же обратную ссылку на вас. Но вот зашел посмотреть поевился ли трекбек, а его нет…
Posted by Soogma at January 24, 2009 10:18 AM | direct link
Интересно и позновательно, а будет еще что-то по этой теме?
Posted by tassactormat at January 24, 2009 4:44 PM | direct link
У вас RSS в кривой кодировке!
Posted by impemnrhip at January 24, 2009 11:07 PM | direct link
вы шутите...21 век на дворе, неужели нет ничего достойного внимания, как энциклопедия.Милые мои, вот нет снега в
гордах, это тоже тема и история, пересмотрите темы.Я почту просматриваю, мне шлют не пойми что, не знаю кто, столько мусора, может оно и нужно, но не в дневнике.Я так понимаю, дневник это часть твоей души.Нам дается право выбирать - пользуйтесь. А информация бесполезной не бывает
Posted by boyncHop at January 25, 2009 7:55 AM | direct link
Ценные рекомендации, беру на заметку
Posted by AmoceeceScex at January 25, 2009 5:00 PM | direct link
Posted by Anonymous at January 29, 2009 2:30 AM | direct link
Posted by Anonymous at January 29, 2009 2:30 AM | direct link
Я люблю етот блог. Вот я тоже как то об этом думал
Posted by peefeBotenemS at February 1, 2009 10:04 AM | direct link
Информация подобрана очень успешно, когда будет обновление?
Posted by AlexjooolkT at February 1, 2009 12:59 PM | direct link
Всегда уважал авторов данного блога, инфа на 5++
Posted by LexxToperss at February 1, 2009 4:45 PM | direct link
Обменятся линками не желаете?
Posted by JinaStrock at February 1, 2009 5:04 PM | direct link
Подскажите где еше можно достать таких статей?
Posted by LeonidFalst at February 1, 2009 5:29 PM | direct link
Забавный блог :)
Posted by MonikaFloww at February 1, 2009 6:12 PM | direct link
Эх етот кризис все нам портит
Posted by MoSuuns at February 2, 2009 1:34 PM | direct link
Собственно говоря я так и думал, вот про что все толдычут. Мда этож надо так
Posted by Nilofirond at February 2, 2009 3:17 PM | direct link
Очень заинтересовал материал. Что за источник? Я бы еще почитал про сий материал
Posted by Agrubdokoho at February 4, 2009 5:01 AM | direct link
Очень заинтересовал материал. Что за источник? Я бы еще почитал про сий материал
Posted by Agrubdokoho at February 4, 2009 5:19 AM | direct link
А это точная информация? Все действительно так? Если да то это круто)
Posted by Zadoloder at February 4, 2009 8:53 AM | direct link
Кто может мне помоч подробнее в етом разобратся?
Posted by AnnaMakarovaa at February 4, 2009 6:01 PM | direct link
Я тоже в блоге про такое пишу, только на тему кино
Posted by Ираклий at February 4, 2009 6:49 PM | direct link
Поздравте меня у меня родился сын!
Posted by AlexAnderGG at February 5, 2009 2:48 PM | direct link
Я никогда в жизни не вдумывалась в самые разные магические порчи, в особенности когда кто-то из гадалок заверял, что на меня направлено какое-нибудь заклятие или порча. Все-таки всего лишь чуть меньше месяца назад мы с моей подругой решили все-таки поехать к вещунье. Меня, собственного говоря потащили туда просто для развлечения. Наверное - подумала я - пришел мой черед узнать свое будущее.
Когда мы приехали к вещунье, бабка неожиданно для нас обратилась ко мне с такими словами: "Ой, доченька, не дано прожить тебе более единого месяца на этом свете...". Конечно же кроме простой улыбки у меня это заявление ничего не вызвало. А старушка продолжила разговор: "Наложили на тебя, деточка
самое тяжелое проклятье - душа у тебя уже наполовину по ту сторону... и род свой ты никак не сможешь продолжить из-за того же...". Врачи мне уже почти как 3 года назад поведали о том, что я не могу иметь детей, но не понятно откуда бабушка смогла узнать о моем состоянии - ведь я держала это в секрете и ни кому, ни отцу, ни матери, ни родственникам не рассказала о своей проблеме.
После этих страшных слов гадалка сняла с полки какую-то книгу Вуду, пролистала её и неожиданно для меня совершила странный ритуал. После всего этого обратилась к нам и сказала, что как уж сложилось по традиции желательно сделать жертвоприношение. Я не долго думая, решила быстро завершить этот фарс и мы с подругой ушли от бабки, не доведя до логического конца сеанс.
Больше ничего четкого бабуля не сказала мне - как думаете, все-таки нужно ли мне верить ее рассказу?
Posted by Scoopsrog at February 5, 2009 4:46 PM | direct link
Ребят, кто подскажет где можно подробнее узнать.!
Posted by JagStyleR at February 7, 2009 4:38 PM | direct link
Поздравляю всех с наступаюшим праздником!!!
Posted by AlexaStyleX at February 8, 2009 12:28 PM | direct link
Описание модельного ряда, фотографии, характеристики. Возможность заказать автомобиль у регионального дилера. Справочник станций техобслуживания. Форум, советы конструктора. Забавные фото. Иллюстрированный каталог автомобилей Модельный ряд: фотографии, описания. Каталог автоэлектроники (Sony, Alpine, Урал, Pioneer, Kenwood).Описание автомбильных услуг.
Posted by Андрей at February 9, 2009 7:40 AM | direct link
Вах. Какой блог хороший. Хачу постить у вас новости. Как можно данное реализовать. Спасиб
Posted by GivistaHedKo at February 10, 2009 12:06 PM | direct link
Поздравляю всех, с наступающим праздником, желаю всего наилучшего.
Posted by HouserrLiv at February 11, 2009 5:29 AM | direct link
Хорошо что я увидел эту информацию. Очень полезно читать ваши посты
Posted by GorohoffFre at February 12, 2009 10:20 AM | direct link
Вы всегда публикуете только лучшую информацию. У вас просто супер блог. Спасибо
Posted by DoronLinFo at February 12, 2009 10:53 AM | direct link
Лучшая инфа которую я прочел за последние несколько дней. Очень актуально. Спасибо
Posted by FregtorKo at February 12, 2009 12:01 PM | direct link
Это то что я давное искал. Самый самый лучщий новост. Спасибо автору за новость
Posted by NestorMaxnoKo at February 12, 2009 1:28 PM | direct link
Приличная новость. Буду постоянно читать ваши новости
Posted by GoptotOpG at February 12, 2009 2:24 PM | direct link
А будет продолжение новости? Очень было бы интересно почитать
Posted by GoptotOpG at February 12, 2009 4:05 PM | direct link
Подскажите пожалуйста, конкретнее где можно посмотреть данную тематику, и подробное описание?
Posted by PacMaaan at February 12, 2009 5:29 PM | direct link
Nice, всегда рад читать ваши публикации
Posted by PacStooru at February 14, 2009 6:33 PM | direct link
Админ следи за каментами, тут куча спама
Posted by FarmonGE at February 16, 2009 6:39 PM | direct link
Great Things!
Posted by Incroyable at February 21, 2009 1:13 PM | direct link
Завтра разошлю ссылку всем сотрудникам, тут прикольно
Posted by optiohext at February 24, 2009 3:20 PM | direct link
(У Л Ы Б К А)
Posted by optiohext at February 25, 2009 6:47 AM | direct link
Надо делать клуб единомышленников!
Posted by optiohext at February 25, 2009 6:56 AM | direct link
Спасибо. То, что нужно ))
Posted by Envixcicdunny at February 26, 2009 9:02 AM | direct link
Я вас любил любовь еще быть может, в душе моей угасло не совсем....гхм о чем это я. Ах да блог..эм ну я вас могу поздравить с таким блестящим блогом. В общем то я вам завидую
Posted by GferTyOPw at February 26, 2009 10:45 AM | direct link
Огромное спасибо за инфу. Автору респект и уважуха.
Posted by Envixcicdunny at February 28, 2009 2:17 AM | direct link
Бред какой-то, особенно что тут!!!
Posted by SekasssMen at February 28, 2009 5:50 AM | direct link
Бред какой-то, особенно что тут!!!
Posted by SekasssMen at February 28, 2009 6:04 AM | direct link
При загрузке страницы антивирус почемуто ругается что страница заражена! проверте
Posted by MedasX at February 28, 2009 6:11 AM | direct link
При загрузке страницы антивирус почемуто ругается что страница заражена! проверте
Posted by MedasX at February 28, 2009 6:23 AM | direct link
Да да у меня тоже выскакивает сообшение :(
Posted by Lexa at February 28, 2009 6:28 AM | direct link
Да да у меня тоже выскакивает сообшение :(
Posted by Lexa at February 28, 2009 6:42 AM | direct link
Фак мой мозг, что здесь происходит!1!
Posted by Freak at February 28, 2009 6:50 AM | direct link
Фак мой мозг, что здесь происходит!1!
Posted by Freak at February 28, 2009 7:04 AM | direct link
All what you whant to know about dodgeball movie!!! Another - am I holding she opened objected to him
Posted by prostoTolik at February 28, 2009 7:18 AM | direct link
All what you whant to know about dodgeball movie!!! Another - am I holding she opened objected to him
Posted by prostoTolik at February 28, 2009 7:30 AM | direct link
И кто как оценит? напишите конкретные отзывы, буду благодарен
Posted by Maximus at February 28, 2009 7:35 AM | direct link
И кто как оценит? напишите конкретные отзывы, буду благодарен
Posted by Maximus at February 28, 2009 7:48 AM | direct link
на 3 из 5 потянет, нужно бы дополнить!
Posted by SynnuDK at February 28, 2009 7:54 AM | direct link
на 3 из 5 потянет, нужно бы дополнить!
Posted by SynnuDK at February 28, 2009 8:08 AM | direct link
www.becker-posner-blog.com один из лучших, ребят развивайте его!!
Posted by George at February 28, 2009 8:46 AM | direct link
www.becker-posner-blog.com один из лучших, ребят развивайте его!!
Posted by George at February 28, 2009 9:00 AM | direct link
Маловато информации, кстати могу помочь с етой темай так как занимаюсь этим
Posted by Lizzy at February 28, 2009 10:41 AM | direct link
Маловато информации, кстати могу помочь с етой темай так как занимаюсь этим
Posted by Lizzy at February 28, 2009 10:54 AM | direct link
Очистите комментарии а то сюда незайти просто, странички еле грузятся!
Posted by Kann at February 28, 2009 11:25 AM | direct link
Очистите комментарии а то сюда незайти просто, странички еле грузятся!
Posted by Kann at February 28, 2009 11:38 AM | direct link
А я ишу такую информацию, мне реферат писать, подскажите где еше есть кроме www.becker-posner-blog.com
Posted by Ryslan at February 28, 2009 12:24 PM | direct link
А я ишу такую информацию, мне реферат писать, подскажите где еше есть кроме www.becker-posner-blog.com
Posted by Ryslan at February 28, 2009 12:38 PM | direct link
Что было с сайтом я до етого не мог на рсс подписатся?
Posted by Dimon at February 28, 2009 1:50 PM | direct link
Что было с сайтом я до етого не мог на рсс подписатся?
Posted by Dimon at February 28, 2009 2:04 PM | direct link
А вобше хотелось бы видеть обновления почаше, а так ребят жедаю вам успеха в продвижении вашего блога. Успехов :)
Posted by Chaki at February 28, 2009 2:22 PM | direct link
А вобше хотелось бы видеть обновления почаше, а так ребят жедаю вам успеха в продвижении вашего блога. Успехов :)
Posted by Chaki at February 28, 2009 2:36 PM | direct link
Да уж… Тут как говорится: Амбар крепок, да углы худы :)
Posted by пол кило at March 2, 2009 12:29 PM | direct link
Спасибо Яндексу, именно благодаря ему я нашла этот замечательный форум.
Думаю здесь я останусь надолго.
Posted by Scoopsrog at March 4, 2009 6:24 AM | direct link
Спасибо Яндексу, именно благодаря ему я нашла этот замечательный форум.
Думаю здесь я останусь надолго.
Posted by Scoopsrog at March 5, 2009 1:39 PM | direct link
ребят жедаю вам успеха в продвижении вашего блога. Успехов :)
Posted by ChakiNet at March 16, 2009 5:07 PM | direct link
ребят жедаю вам успеха в продвижении вашего блога. Успехов :)
Posted by ChakiNet at March 16, 2009 6:46 PM | direct link
17 декабря 2008 года прошла церемония награждения высокими общественными наградами. Награждение прошло в торжественной обстановке на центральных и региональных акциях, проводимых Фондом «Милосердное общество».
На церемонию награждения были приглашены видные государственные и общественные деятели, лидеры политических движений, представители научной и деловой элиты, делегации от региональных отделений общественных организаций. Награждение провели члены Попечительского Совета Фонда.
Среди награжденных политики, общественные деятели, представители науки, предприниматели: Второв Сергей Михайлович, Донцов Иван Иванович, Галич Ольга Владимировна, Ежов Денис Сергеевич, Иванова Виктория Михайловна, Карафелов Александр Миронович, Стефанович Ирина Евгеньевна, Тарайкович Игорь Александрович, Наумов Павел Павлович, Наумова Наталья Павловна.
Posted by CharungJet at March 18, 2009 11:39 AM | direct link
Хорошая идея особенно в сложившейся ситуации в мире.
Posted by SatihopSex at March 20, 2009 7:56 AM | direct link
Спасибо Яндексу, именно благодаря ему я нашла этот замечательный форум.
Думаю здесь я останусь надолго.
Posted by Scoopsrog at March 21, 2009 12:41 PM | direct link
Почистетите блог от коментариев, тут невозможно вобше что либо прочесть!!!
Posted by Юльчиккк at March 25, 2009 8:43 AM | direct link
Да, жаль, что обновления на блоге происходят не так часто, как хотелось бы.
Posted by Рома Лобацкий at March 27, 2009 11:48 AM | direct link
Да, жаль, что обновления на блоге происходят не так часто, как хотелось бы.
Posted by WradoVorsdece at March 27, 2009 5:26 PM | direct link
Наверное, 1й увиденный мной блог, где в комментариях нет спама :)
Posted by italpawfupt at March 27, 2009 6:51 PM | direct link
Надеюсь, остальные записи окажутся такими же интересными :)
Posted by doniduarall at March 27, 2009 8:08 PM | direct link
Интересно, а почему так редко блог обновляете?
Posted by Becysoync at March 27, 2009 9:50 PM | direct link
Хотелось бы увидеть продолжение...
Posted by shouffestarse at March 27, 2009 11:44 PM | direct link
Занятно-занятно, нигде раньше на такое не натыкался.
Posted by zitiftLup at March 28, 2009 3:12 AM | direct link
Ну что могу сказать по данной проблеме. Я уже давно слежу за этой проблематикой. Вы затронуликончено хорошую тему и если разовьете ее дальше то будет просто замечательно
Posted by фильмы онлайн at March 28, 2009 11:22 AM | direct link
Да-действительно шяс редкость найти что то стоящее, но серовно хоть что то.
Posted by Doxtor at March 30, 2009 8:50 AM | direct link
Применил я примерно такоеже как и написано, рузультат 0.
Posted by Kardiolog at March 30, 2009 9:12 AM | direct link
Ого-го вот етот тут у вас коментариев, я как увидел со стула апал ппц ваше. почистите блог!
Posted by Undopack at March 30, 2009 9:40 AM | direct link
Да абсолютно половина коментов безсмысленных. ппц я сам в шоке!!
Posted by Алекс at March 30, 2009 10:06 AM | direct link
Выложите статей о ремонте АКПП
Posted by Jonny at March 30, 2009 10:57 AM | direct link
ляя как тут все долго грузится ппц, админы оптимизируйте блог!
Posted by Gazenvagen at March 30, 2009 12:00 PM | direct link
опа скока тут ботов, а че вы тут делаете а?
Posted by Супермен at March 30, 2009 12:30 PM | direct link
Не суть, но думаю что попробывать стоило бы, хотя...
Posted by Marishka at March 30, 2009 12:47 PM | direct link
Что-то футер у вас вправо съехал (в опере при разрешении 1024х768)
Posted by SEO-Пацан at April 2, 2009 1:37 AM | direct link
Разместил это на своем блоге с ссылкой на ваш сайт. Надеюсь, Вам это какую-нибудь пользу принесет :)
Posted by Hock at April 2, 2009 5:52 PM | direct link
Да, жаль, что обновления на блоге происходят не так часто, как хотелось бы.
Posted by LenozepeLieva at April 2, 2009 10:18 PM | direct link
Знакомый посоветовал зайти на этот блог и явно не зря.
Posted by Aunov at April 2, 2009 11:28 PM | direct link
Да, жаль, что обновления на блоге происходят не так часто, как хотелось бы.
Posted by gotuvik at April 3, 2009 2:06 AM | direct link
Подписался на Ваш блог, а в рсс какие-то закорючки. Проверьтке кодировку чтоль.
Posted by Dinara at April 3, 2009 3:09 AM | direct link
Очень интересно. Но чего-то не хватает. Может быть, стоит добавить каких-нибудь картинок или фото?
Posted by crasatvoya at April 3, 2009 4:34 AM | direct link
Кинули сегодня в аське ссылку на эту новость - не жалею, что потратил время и перешел:)
Posted by Cosmos at April 3, 2009 6:13 AM | direct link
Наткнулся случайно на Ваш блог. Теперь стану постоянно просматривать. Надеюсь, не разочаруете и дальше :)
Posted by unduncnum at April 3, 2009 7:59 AM | direct link
Очень интересно. Но чего-то не хватает. Может быть, стоит добавить каких-нибудь картинок или фото?
Posted by Nampevopype at April 3, 2009 9:10 AM | direct link
Подписался на Ваш блог, а в рсс какие-то закорючки. Проверьтке кодировку чтоль.
Posted by celpestarce at April 3, 2009 12:46 PM | direct link
Хорошо пишете. Надеюсь, когда-нибудь увижу нечто подобное и на своем блоге...
Posted by Tobseseburb at April 3, 2009 8:21 PM | direct link
Думаю, эту тему можно развивать до бесконечности :)
Posted by TofIdorsfus at April 3, 2009 10:44 PM | direct link
Может быть кто-нить поделится ссылочкой на что-нибудь из этой же тематики? Уж очень заинтересовало
Posted by Effimally at April 4, 2009 12:47 AM | direct link
У меня одного какие-то проблемы с кодировкой в комментариях? Вместо ответов - одни знаки "?"
Posted by Untocacom at April 4, 2009 3:25 PM | direct link
Наверное, 1й увиденный мной блог, где в комментариях нет спама :)
Posted by camelus at April 4, 2009 7:42 PM | direct link
Хорошо пишете. Учились где-то или просто с опытом пришло?
Posted by Obzoroff at April 5, 2009 1:38 AM | direct link
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Posted by Mashukakiev at April 5, 2009 9:44 PM | direct link
Радует, что ваш блог постоянно развивается. Такие посты только прибавляют вам популярности.
Posted by Олег Лебедев at April 6, 2009 8:10 PM | direct link
Открытый Форум Интернет-Сервис-Провайдеров
http://of-isp.ru
Posted by ofispas at April 8, 2009 5:26 AM | direct link
Сервис PR0CY.com комплексного анализа доменов и веб-сайтов по различным параметрам.
А также только у нас вы можете получить код информера с ТИЦ, ПР и YaInd(количеством проиндекcированных страниц в Яндексе.
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Posted by procycom at April 9, 2009 3:22 AM | direct link
Д-Коллаж™ - студия дизайна интерьера квартир, домов, офисов, коттеджей.
http://d-kollag.ru
Posted by dkollag at April 10, 2009 1:19 AM | direct link
А какой программой расылают так комментарии по блогам, кто подскажет?
Posted by Quicker at April 10, 2009 6:32 AM | direct link
Каждое колесо Airtrax оснащено собственным электрическим или гидравлическим двигателем, трансмиссией, тормозом и блоком управления.
Posted by aspibePyslese at April 10, 2009 7:11 AM | direct link
И снова здравствуйте немного не в тот раздел написала, но
Я и мои подруги Мария-ольга , Мирослава-анна и Мария-лилия Ищем секс приключений.
Входи и выбирай нас среди 1070 девушек.!
Posted by doocheFedo at April 10, 2009 4:36 PM | direct link
thaaanks
Posted by دردشة at April 11, 2009 12:13 AM | direct link
Posted by ilonaianka at April 11, 2009 8:09 PM | direct link
Posted by fixonaolga at April 13, 2009 1:10 PM | direct link
Оформление зачет :) Сами рисовали или тема?
Posted by Яков Карпин at April 13, 2009 2:07 PM | direct link
Ну так и сколько нам обещаного продолжения ждать?
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Posted by Uchenko at April 14, 2009 6:21 AM | direct link
Да.. Детали это главное.
Posted by wexegedub at April 14, 2009 8:36 AM | direct link
Posted by olgamixer at April 14, 2009 12:58 PM | direct link
Камрад убей себя
Posted by urana at April 15, 2009 8:22 AM | direct link
Привет. Ищу сайты, где расписаны карточные фокусы, например, что-нибудь наподобие http://fokusnik.biz
Подскажите, пожалуйста, что-нибудь стоящее по теме фокусов.
Posted by Brentvinte at April 15, 2009 8:51 AM | direct link
Privetik
Понима, что категория этот, но посмеяться можно:
Где найти развратных, готовых на всё девченок?.. понятное дело где – на окружной или на Ульяновской. Так они же не бесплатные!.. А де ты вообще видел бесплатных путан???
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Posted by Arbikek at April 15, 2009 10:43 PM | direct link
Действительно это непросто тут у вас спам, а какаято война спамеров, кто кого пересрет
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Posted by Penrovich at April 16, 2009 12:57 AM | direct link
Удивительно, вы своим текстом ответили на все мои вопросы сразу!
Posted by anne4 at April 16, 2009 3:05 AM | direct link
Полностью с Вами согласна, примерно неделю назад написала про этоже в своем блоге!
Posted by MaxSagalov at April 16, 2009 5:20 AM | direct link
Спасибо, очень интересная заметка.
Posted by 37257840916 at April 16, 2009 5:51 AM | direct link
Poluchila pis’mo. Ja soglasna na obmen stat’jami.
Posted by RazielSD at April 16, 2009 6:18 AM | direct link
Вообщем все понравилось, только много бестолковых коментов
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Posted by Barbosik at April 17, 2009 9:27 AM | direct link
C празником Пасхи всех
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Posted by Mozaika at April 18, 2009 10:42 AM | direct link
Тоже возьму у вас эту статейку ссылку поставлю на вас
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Posted by Kuznec at April 20, 2009 3:10 AM | direct link
Я непойму почему так мои посты удаляют или непубликуют и неотвечают на вопросы
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Posted by Lechiiq at April 20, 2009 8:10 AM | direct link
Надеюсь, остальные записи окажутся такими же интересными :)
Posted by SaigiocovaCow at April 20, 2009 1:51 PM | direct link
Да ладно что вы расплакались все нормально
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Posted by Gipsik at April 21, 2009 4:19 AM | direct link
А я уже и продолжение этой статьи гдето видел
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Posted by Glavniai at April 22, 2009 9:35 AM | direct link
Да наспамили тут все знатно, даже плюнуть негде
http://shirinkin.ru
Posted by Arhitektor at April 24, 2009 8:38 AM | direct link
Спасибо хоть у вас есть ,что толковое почитать
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Posted by Reklamist at April 25, 2009 5:36 AM | direct link
Вы вот пишите тут глупости , а никто и невспомнил что сегодня годовщина Чернобыльской трагедии
http://stroidiz.org
Posted by Sebastians at April 26, 2009 12:14 PM | direct link
Отличная статья.Респект автору.
Posted by BeiltSeet at April 29, 2009 1:23 AM | direct link
C праздником всех с Днем трудящихся
http://p-r-k.ru
Posted by Tostik at April 30, 2009 3:02 AM | direct link
Если чешется левая рука - к деньгам, если нос - к выпивке, если и то и другое - к выпивке на халяву
:)
Posted by moya-arhipka.ru at May 3, 2009 4:45 AM | direct link
Ребята что вы курили, такого понаписывали
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Posted by Nagiq at May 3, 2009 8:59 AM | direct link
An analysis by Forbes publications of where most jobs will be created singles out engineering... могу с этим утверждением поспорить.
Posted by Vadim at May 3, 2009 9:32 AM | direct link
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Posted by plastic injection molding at May 4, 2009 3:49 AM | direct link
Да ну нах не верится чёта !!))))
Posted by Olgamoskvina at May 6, 2009 10:36 AM | direct link
Да ну нах не верится чёта !!))))
хотелось бы ваше мнение услышать!
Posted by Katyamoskva at May 9, 2009 12:22 AM | direct link
Интересная статья, но по-моему в Ваших статьях не хватает юмора... Попробуйте добавить хоть капельку и читателей прибавится
Posted by Smombcala at May 11, 2009 1:18 AM | direct link
Приветствую вас на любимом форуме этот
В интернете появился новый блог с бесплатным видео с платных ресурсов
Posted by pywownmew at May 11, 2009 11:00 PM | direct link
добавил в ридер
Posted by naibPyday at May 17, 2009 9:55 AM | direct link
Полный бред здесь пишите,кто это читает-непонятно...
Posted by tuberculosis at May 18, 2009 8:49 AM | direct link
Что-то футер у вас вправо съехал (в опере при разрешении 1024х768)
Posted by foulsequefive at May 19, 2009 12:24 AM | direct link
Что-то футер у вас вправо съехал (в опере при разрешении 1024х768)
Posted by appenseAcculp at May 19, 2009 3:00 AM | direct link
Круто. Добавлю блог в избранное и друзьям посовету. Ждите новых читателей :)
Posted by Mabswaslesk at May 19, 2009 3:50 AM | direct link
Надеюсь, остальные записи окажутся такими же интересными :)
Posted by noiftBoorisof at May 19, 2009 4:57 AM | direct link
Хорошо пишете. Учились где-то или просто с опытом пришло?
Posted by apafeneinue at May 19, 2009 5:43 AM | direct link
пока я жив, я буду читать ваш ресурс! заношу в букмарки…
Posted by blealeagrirty at May 19, 2009 6:35 AM | direct link
Интересно, а почему так редко блог обновляете?
Posted by Debycoece at May 19, 2009 6:55 AM | direct link
Огромное спасибо! Очень помогла ваша информация!!!)))))))))))
Posted by thourltooks at May 19, 2009 5:18 PM | direct link
Хотелось бы увидеть продолжение...
Posted by SlurlVotovere at May 20, 2009 2:37 AM | direct link
Да повеселился читая ваши коменты, по такой серьезной теме
http://anekdot-vip.ru
Posted by Anekdot at May 20, 2009 3:49 AM | direct link
In an abrupt shift, Senate Democratic leaders said they would not provide the $80 million President Obama requested to close the detention center.
Posted by Andy at May 20, 2009 6:00 AM | direct link
The results dealt a severe setback to the state’s fragile fiscal structure and to Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Posted by Antony at May 20, 2009 6:14 AM | direct link
Подписался на Ваш блог, а в рсс какие-то закорючки. Проверьтке кодировку чтоль.
Posted by GopyCrype at May 20, 2009 6:19 AM | direct link
A primer on the new restrictions that credit card companies face
Posted by Serg at May 20, 2009 6:23 AM | direct link
and some reassurances on those rewards programs.
Posted by Sergoo at May 20, 2009 6:32 AM | direct link
Lawmakers say it appears likely that President Obama will sign a provision allowing loaded
Posted by Sergooner at May 20, 2009 6:51 AM | direct link
President Obama appears likely to sign a provision, added to a measure on credit cards
Posted by lloyaz at May 20, 2009 7:11 AM | direct link
A new design manual conceives of streets as multiple-use public spaces, with an emphasis on aesthetics.
Posted by Coolf at May 20, 2009 7:26 AM | direct link
Carlton Avenue, above, is cited as an example of the possibilities.
Posted by Aztec at May 20, 2009 7:44 AM | direct link
The test comes two days after a meeting when Israel told the U.S. about its concerns over Iran’s nuclear program
Posted by Ineek at May 20, 2009 7:53 AM | direct link
Carlos R. Moreno, a Supreme Court long-shot, is an admired moderate whose
Posted by anzee at May 20, 2009 8:18 AM | direct link
opinions blend the head and the heart.
Posted by Aelec at May 20, 2009 8:25 AM | direct link
The relative populations of cities and the calories burned by mice are variations on a single structural theme.
Posted by Apple at May 20, 2009 8:31 AM | direct link
Sriracha is essentially an American sauce, a polyglot puree with various sources.
Posted by Sandy at May 20, 2009 8:36 AM | direct link
Moscow housing has gone through a roller-coaster ride in the last few decades.
Posted by dany at May 20, 2009 8:46 AM | direct link
Пропущено несколько запятых, но на интересность сообщения это никак не повлияло :)
Posted by epintyimmonry at May 20, 2009 9:26 AM | direct link
Хватит ерунду писать у нас фильмы всех жанров беслатно
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Posted by kinofilm at May 20, 2009 9:49 AM | direct link
Что-то футер у вас вправо съехал (в опере при разрешении 1024х768)
Posted by kayadlyAttamn at May 21, 2009 12:13 AM | direct link
very informative
Posted by Serge at May 21, 2009 1:44 AM | direct link
Yes, you're right
Posted by lalunada at May 21, 2009 1:46 AM | direct link
all right
Posted by its at May 21, 2009 2:00 AM | direct link
questionable statement
Posted by serg at May 21, 2009 2:03 AM | direct link
perhaps you are right, perhaps
Posted by ifut at May 21, 2009 2:04 AM | direct link
Подписался на Ваш блог, а в рсс какие-то закорючки. Проверьтке кодировку чтоль.
Posted by chultunny at May 21, 2009 4:31 AM | direct link
Хорошо пишете. Надеюсь, когда-нибудь увижу нечто подобное и на своем блоге...
Posted by fesciffwest at May 22, 2009 8:17 AM | direct link
Очень интересные комментарии, и тем более текст. Занимательно, хотелось бы еще что нибудь познавательное почитать.
Posted by Anonymous at May 31, 2009 3:13 PM | direct link
да, странный блог конечно...
Posted by Anonymous at June 11, 2009 3:10 PM | direct link
